How is retail day trading anything but a gamble?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by kmiklas, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    If nothing worked at a tick to tick level, how did Livermore make his millions reading tapes?

    I am not arguing because I agree with your statement that the shorter the time frame the noisier the price movements.

    I always wonder whether it is possible to filter out the noise and pick out the signals?
     
    #101     Jun 5, 2020
  2. smallfil

    smallfil

    There is only one truism in the stockmarket, it is big moneyed hedge funds, banks, brokers, mutual funds who move the stockmarket. Retail investors and traders do not have enough monies to move the stockmarket. Yet, legions of traders think their trades affect stocks they trade. It does not. You do not matter. What is important and you should realize if you want to make monies is never go against the trend. The big boys will run you over like a pancake and laugh at your silly ass.
     
    #102     Jun 5, 2020
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  3. speedo

    speedo

    Trying to explain price development on ET can be like trying to explain a magic trick to a cat.
     
    #103     Jun 5, 2020
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  4. Tradex

    Tradex

    Jesse Livermore made the bulk of money holding a trend, not scalping (or even day-trading) stocks.
     
    #104     Jun 5, 2020
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  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    Cats ARE the magic trick.

    what are cats.jpg
     
    #105     Jun 5, 2020
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  6. speedo

    speedo

    Jesse Livermore didn't have a computer. If he had, his market cycles might have been considerably shorter....or maybe not, but in any event, hold a trend till it ain't and therein lies the art and the science of the thing.
     
    #106     Jun 5, 2020
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  7. speedo

    speedo

    I love cats but they are not deep thinkers.
     
    #107     Jun 5, 2020
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  8. themickey

    themickey

    Starting from monthly bars, as the bar time period shortens, so too the randomness factor increases.
    No one can say that a 1 day bar somewhere does not have a random factor, but cumulatively they begin to make sense, not perfect sense otherwise trends would be perfectly aligned.
    Once you get below a 5 minute bar the randomness exponentially increases.
    A genuis may be able to trade a tick by tick chart, but I doubt they would be profitable even without the commissions.
    And to say "every bar has a reason", "no bar is random"..... mind boggling crazy, but please continue with that thought, read Al Brooks books, I love seeing people waste time and getting caught up in minute stupid TA detail, the more distracted by irrelevant crap the better. :)
    But back to cats, when my cat walked across my keyboard and placed a trade, that fat pawwed trade was a winner and my cat does all my trading now.
    I've now created a cat algo.
     
    #108     Jun 5, 2020
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  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    No need to be deep thinkers, like traders, just has to be nimble and quick on its feet.
     
    #109     Jun 5, 2020
  10. Real Money

    Real Money

    My favorites "you can't beat the market", "there are no legal edges", "price is random", "daytrading doesn't work", "you can't beat the algos", "HFT always wins", "daytrading is for suckers" :)
     
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    #110     Jun 5, 2020