How is Long VXX not Free Money?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by stockpredictor, Apr 15, 2021.

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    Whenever VXX makes an ATL, it eventually retraces the move. All one needs to do is simply buy on a decent move down on new lows. 13.50 is actually a conservative upside target. That is, if buying today at 10, it should eventually net 35%. Plus, this current level isn't even 'barely' a new ATL; its clean move down which means that its better. These opportunities don't come often.

    Judging by how long it takes for these moves to happen historically, the aforementioned 'eventually' may require one to wait up to several months. It can also continue to decay and cause psychological pain; this is simply the live of a long vol trader.

    One may wish to use multiple timing methods in conjunction in order to help reduce drawdown and negative holding period.
     
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  2. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    Totally agree though I'm trading UVXY for better leverage. VIX / etns will bounce eventually
     
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  3. Fintrader

    Fintrader

    Absolutely I know option traders go out long enough their always a knee jerk reaction in the markets that send it up.
     
  4. Girija

    Girija

    Wrong idea read vix futures before concluding.
     
  5. For timing this play, perhaps wait until the big option player referred to "Fifty Cents" starts betting big on the smashola...
     
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  6. zghorner

    zghorner

    im holding VIX and UVXY calls...problem with this play is timing has to be on point...the window of profitability is so small most of the time one losses money. With market entering euphoria mode overdrive one canty help but to expect a correction soon...unfortunately that type of reasoning usually doesn't work out so well and market will continue to climb as crap bonds get purchased via QE.
     
  7. guru

    guru

    Unfortunately many people lose most of their money buying VXX or UVXY long, whether on dips, large drops, etc. There is literally no strategy that makes money going long VXX and would be profitable every year. While there are plenty of strategies that make money every year, including shorting VXX & UVXY (Seth Golden makes $millions this way). You also need to understand how VXX works and when/why it moves, which is mainly related to VIX futures contango, and has nothing to do with how stocks are being traded.
    So I'm sorry to say but you're clearly wrong on this one.

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  8. Jamie Dimon has posited that this "money-print, BS bull market might persist into 2024". If that turns out to be the case, much will be lost by volatility call buyers in the interim.
     
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  9. guru

    guru


    Unfortunately VXX/UVXY can drop even when the market pulls down. The correction would need to be very strong and rapid to have sizable effect on VXX. Also, you can usually find an equivalent LEAP SPX/SPY put that moves very similarly to UVXY or VXX, so buying VXX or UVXY isn't much different from buying SPY puts. You'll make money trading VXX long only if you can make money trading SPX puts long (which is rare except for hedging, meaning being long market anyway).
     
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  10. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    #10     Apr 15, 2021