How high can the S&P go?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Romeo, Sep 17, 2003.

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  1. I hate to be involved in a thread like this. I hold my peace for too long. Now I have to say that I think there is still 100% room for the year rally to go. Good luck to you.
     
    #51     Sep 20, 2003
  2. Romeo

    Romeo

    Why do you "hate to be involved"? What's wrong with this thread?

    I welcome your comments. You think the S&P is going how high this year?
     
    #52     Sep 20, 2003
  3. Romeo

    Romeo

    The vix is hovering around 20 now. What if it shoots up to 25? Does it have to go higher than 25 for it to be meaningful? Which type of reading would be considered bearish?

    I appreciate your answers, and will rap this up in tidy fashion upon hearing them.
     
    #53     Sep 20, 2003
  4. Pabst

    Pabst

    Romeo,

    I truly find the VIX useless as a directional indicator. It lags prices too much for me. Also, despite the mounds of empirical data that seemingly confirm that Moses dictated higher volatility =lower prices, I refuse to make that assumption.

    That aside, if you think the markets going to break hard and be accompanied by a spike in implied vol., consider buying some put spreads instead of selling cheap call premo.
     
    #54     Sep 20, 2003
  5. Romeo

    Romeo

    Well said, Pabst. I wanted to hear this guy's answers about vix. I see it the same way as you. Buying put spreads? Sounds like pain in just getting those things on!
     
    #55     Sep 20, 2003
  6. Mvic

    Mvic

    Well the conventional wisdom was that vix at lows meant a pull back or correction in the offing. The Vix is still trending down on the weekly so this may still prove to be correct but using the vix as a directional indicator the last few months has not been too helpful.

    Again looking at the weekly chart (assuming we are thinking of selling straddle about a month prior to expiration) the vix is at its range low so maybe it would be worth waiting until it edged up to 21+ prior to selling the straddle. It "should" mean a higher premium (does it in reality?). If It shot up to 25 then that would probably be a great time to sell a straddle as on a TA basis it is at the top of its range of the last few months and look back the beginning of 2002 25 seems to be a significant level.

    The likelihood is that either the vix starts trading down again back in to its range in which case you don't have much to worry about as the volatility value of the premium should be diminishing in both your puts and calls, or it breaks out of the range in which case the underlying will probably be making a significant move in one direction or the other which is also not such a bad thing using the hedging strategy mentioned earlier(where the main problem is chop not a strong trend).
     
    #56     Sep 20, 2003
  7. Romeo

    Romeo

    :cool:
     
    #57     Sep 20, 2003
  8. Romeo

    Romeo

    to my first response. It was more than just a face.

    I was saying that the vix needs to go over 25 for me to believe that the volatility is on the rise, and that a significant move is approaching. Unfortunately, the vix below 20 is not the indicator it used to be.
     
    #58     Sep 21, 2003
  9. Mvic

    Mvic

    the Vix is not what it was. Should be interesting to see what happens and if it takes on more relevance when it becomes tradable in the not too distant future.
     
    #59     Sep 21, 2003
  10. I'll take a stab at this, for entertainment purposes only. The screenshot shows Gann's Square of nine and some of the projected cycles I came up with this past year. It shows a possible square out Sept 23 at 1050 but the cycles haven't been exact lately for me. My projection off the March 12 2003 lows was 946 but that changed (based on my lack of cycle knowledge at the time) and is now 1073. My geometry and astro together yield either Sept 26 or Oct 2 for a high for the year. My work also says the VIX to the low historical range of 10-15 but I find that hard to believe after reading Barrons and the increase in margin debt for the Nasdaq.
     
    #60     Sep 21, 2003
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