How hard will I get crushed by this volatility crush?

Discussion in 'Options' started by ccbb, Oct 16, 2017.




  1. What is your interpretation of his comment?
     
    #21     Oct 17, 2017
  2. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    He prefers not to trade short dated options.
     
    #22     Oct 17, 2017
  3. This is a wrong question to ask.

    Novice traders ask "how much I can earn if I'm right?"
    Professionals ask "How much I can lose if I'm wrong?"

    The trick in options trading is not to lose much even when you are wrong.
    Buying cheap OTM options before earnings is a pure gambling as we can see now. Even if the stock increased 10% after earnings (not very likely, considering how quickly and hard it went up before earnings), the 220 calls would be breakeven at best.
     
    #23     Oct 17, 2017
  4. sle

    sle

    So that option opened at 62 vol and has been around 50 handle the whole day. I assume the op had delta against it?
     
    #24     Oct 17, 2017
  5. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    You are looking that the Ivol of an option that closed at 0.08 with 3 trading days left. The ATM options are 32/33 or less out to Jan 2018. Lower than I expected.
     
    #25     Oct 17, 2017
  6. truetype

    truetype

    Exactly. Tiny options near expiry usually trade at "high" vol because only morons are willing to sell them.
     
    #26     Oct 17, 2017
  7. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    I was thinking the same about buying them! :D I don't get any value out of looking at the Ivol of a short dated option under $0.15, IMO. Just a number.
     
    #27     Oct 17, 2017
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  8. sle

    sle

    Wasn’t that what I was saying? :) the fact that it’s a far wing will support the price and this make the IV higher, right?

    PS. Actually, if you think of the type of gap required to get to these low delta short dated options, vol that’s “implied” is not that unreasonable
     
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    #28     Oct 17, 2017
  9. JackRab

    JackRab

    Whatdayameanbythat?

    You mean tinies will always have relatively high IV especially for near expiry?

    32 ATM IV... that's exactly what the fwd vol was... I thought it would be a bit higher as well. I guess no move does that ;)
     
    #29     Oct 17, 2017
  10. sle

    sle

    Someone said something like “it’s high, but it’s meaningless” - I was just saying that if there is a chance of it getting to the strike, what you realize along the way will be pretty high. When you are forced to refit that normal distribution so the fourth moment is expressed via second one, you can get some extreme values :)
     
    #30     Oct 17, 2017
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