How George Soros knows what he knows

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by chessman, Jun 11, 2003.

  1. by some Danish guy that basically says what Flavia preaches. The book is entitled 'The user illusion' and may appeal to those that prefer some science instead of psychology. Well, the point of Flavia basically is this: you learn trading by immersion (or practice), so what else is new here?
     
    #31     Jun 13, 2003
  2. You just forgot that other times he lost also a lot. Just read his full biography. And he is trading for the Big European Families don't forget so he has power that you just don't have. It is not the same scale of trading at all so comparisons with him is rather useless. He has rather an investor type approach than a market timer approach for example he loves adding to losing position because he has the fuel to do so. And he doesn't trade his own money for most part but the money of others.

    Nevertheless he is one of those rare traders that I like because he has a great knowledge of market - and I really recommand his books - and he repeats that one day this market is crazy and will go into the wall with a cataclismic consequence for the whole world but nobody want to hear him: people want only hear him for fairy tales.
     
    #32     Jun 13, 2003
  3. It's the net result that counts, don't you think so?
     
    #33     Jun 13, 2003
  4. No it is the path that count because on the path there is the ruin probability haha ! That is THE game and hedge funds only sink because of that and Soros Fund is no exception. Long term funds cannot be statistically be proven to be safe because the sample is too small.

     
    #34     Jun 13, 2003
  5. No... either you are succcessfull or not... everything else is just rethoric... or correct my spelling...
     
    #35     Jun 13, 2003
  6. specify what your timeframe is... otherwise you are just an imposter...
     
    #36     Jun 13, 2003
  7. Michael T. Kaufman have written af very good book: "Soros. The life and times of a messanic billionaire". Here you will find all about his "system". He just uses his brain and knowledge. And his philosophy.
     
    #37     Jun 14, 2003
  8. gms

    gms

    But isn't that like saying that drawdowns don't count or aren't anything to matter with so long as the trader comes out eventually successful, even though they can stop you cold?
     
    #38     Jun 14, 2003
  9. First off, George Soros had been a pretty successful hedge-fund manager with his QUANTUM FUND back in the late 80's before he made a bundle on the devaluation of the British Pound.

    In fact, he was so successful making "macro" bets that he charged a then undheard of management fee of 4%!!!

    As for his British Pound "trade" . . .

    It was a total "lay-up" because the British economy was already in a recession and trying to keep the pound strong with interest rates as high as they were was plain insanity. Had the British not allowed the pound to "devalue" the entire county would have gone into a DEPRESSION. Hence, Soros leveraged up a position that was very low risk and textbook Econ 101A.

    As for George Soros himself as a trader, he too has his faults and "mistakes" just like the rest of us. Just take a look at the Crash of 1987 and how he tried so "naively" to unload over 5,000 S&P Futures on the opening on the Thursday after Black Monday. . . He got nervous about how the dollar was trading overseas on Wednesday night and decided to unload his S&P futures position ( his fund was exempt from position limits ) and he had no idea that the markets were "thin" and that the locals would never stand in front of a "freight-train".

    Instead, they "front-ran" his 5,000 lot sell order into OBLIVION and the S&P traded all the way down to an incredible 45 point discount and a "print" low that was insanely out-of-whack" with the cash markets. His sell order MARKED THE DEAD ASS LOW.

    So much for having a mechanical "working" knowledge of the financial markets.
     
    #39     Jun 14, 2003
  10. ron0823

    ron0823

    For those that are interested, a new article detailing Dr Cymbalista's work now appears in the online version of SFO magazine.

    I have read both the Soros paper and this article, and although not nearly as detailed, the article does a good job of describing marketfocusing in a practical framework. It is said to be one in a series of 3.

    http://www.sfomag.com/articlesdetail.asp?IssueMonthID=July&YearID=2003&ID=24
     
    #40     Jul 2, 2003