how far could the market go down?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by trend2009, Mar 1, 2020.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Nah I was out Friends then Gym and Swim Friday, nice slow enough run up to jump on.

    Likely won't trade, just can't risk my little account till it calms down which could take a while.

    Demo accounting, so if I get good results then maybe LOL
     
    #41     Mar 1, 2020
  2. Overnight

    Overnight

    Good for you, it was a crazy nightmare run. NQ was up and down 400 points in range for the day. The last 15 minutes was a close to 300 point rise into EOD. It was, basically, this, but like 3 times during the full trading calendar day, hehe...

     
    #42     Mar 1, 2020
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  3. kashirin

    kashirin

    I have some long so I want the market to go high hard

    I sold calls against of some longs Friday evening. I want them expire worthless but not to lose much on my longs so I want the market return to unchanged and stay there

    I have some cash to deploy so I want market to go down hard
     
    #43     Mar 1, 2020
  4. hafez50

    hafez50

    Like i said i'd rather scalp from the long side right here . 2932 up from near the open of 2888
     
    #44     Mar 1, 2020
  5. piezoe

    piezoe

    I consider peak corporate earning one of the more reliable harbingers of a recession. Not sure if we have the final 2019 fourth quarter tally yet but 133 should be pretty close. This suggests we may have put in a peak (136). This is more reliable than inverted yield. While an inverted yield curve usually precedes a recession we have many examples of inverted yield not being followed any time soon by a recession. However, off hand, I can't think of any recession that wasn't preceded by a well defined corporate earnings peak.
     
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    #45     Mar 1, 2020
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  6. kashirin

    kashirin

    But what draw down can we expect in severe recession ( which probably is guaranteed now) and with buyback disappearance?
    I would say 40-50%
    but insane money printing by central banks sure can offset a lot of it. So it might be the Friday was the lowest of that coming recession
    Or if not I bet Fed will print whatever needed to prevent 20% and bear market
     
    #46     Mar 1, 2020
  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    We've had lots of mild recessions and a few fairly severe ones, and one whopper since the great depression. I guess what I'm saying, and none to clearly, is that as long as earnings are still rising or not declining significantly a recession is probably a ways off. Probably this 1st quarter of 2020 is going to tell us much. We will have to wait for April earnings season. I know it doesn't look good, but as Yogi said, "predictions are hard, especially about the future." The Corona virus scare may have simply been the catalyst for a much needed correction. Let's see how it affects earnings. I'm reluctant to buy into media hysterics. But then I don't have to sell advertisements to make a living.
     
    #47     Mar 1, 2020
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  8. kashirin

    kashirin

    you already had warning from Apple and Microsoft.
    All travel, hospitality etc. will collapse
    Boeing has a good chance to bankrupt and likely will be bailed out but at what price to shareholders

    If there are school closures there will be direct huge hit to consumers

    Wall street has creative ways to count earnings but it's not the question if earnings decline or not

    at least the next 2 quarters earnings will be negative
    not negative earnings growth but negative earnings
     
    #48     Mar 1, 2020
  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    Through all of this tumult, I have maintained that Boeing is not going anywhere. They are "too important to fail".

    In fact, Boeing was cushioned from this market fall because they were already hammered by the MAX thing. So they had a head-start on the correction, heh.

    BA ain't going the way of the dodo.
     
    #49     Mar 1, 2020
  10. FriskyCat

    FriskyCat

    Similar story for much of the energy sector stocks. Charts on those look like what you'd expect 12-18 months into a bear market.
     
    #50     Mar 1, 2020