How does a champion think?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by chasinfla, Oct 8, 2002.

  1. wrong. an athlete has to deal with many of the same psychological stresses that a trader does. the analogy is almost perfect.

    yogi berra said "baseball is 99% mental. the other half is physical" or something like. Here there is a thread dedicated to psychology because trading is largely a head game. the other half is know-how.
     
    #111     Nov 26, 2002
  2. tampa

    tampa

    Yogi said things that he knew did not make sense - he's not a good one to use for making a point...
     
    #112     Nov 26, 2002
  3. but yogi did make perfect sense in a very memorable way.
     
    #113     Nov 26, 2002
  4. you count always count on the 'skirtster' to stir up some controversy..

    obviously sports are meaningless in the grand context of life. that doesn't mean that playing them can't teach someone a lot about life. the struggles overcome in becoming a better player are real, tampa, whether you like it or not. if you don't think that could provide someone with a valuable life lesson to draw on you knoweth nothing of which you talk.

    i also find your mockery of the 'stars' pretty pathetic too. they should have all taken the 'high road' instead of accepting the millions shoved in their faces, right? lol.

    i can imagine that for a lot of them their sense of self-worth is probably exaggerated (we don't really have any way to know); especially if its based solely on their accomplishments in sport. still, you can hardly blame them; who wouldn't act similarly in light of having millions of adoring fans and millions of very real dollars in the bank?

    the real jerkoffs are !@#$@ low lifes for who their team winning the 'big one' requires destruction of others' personal property as part of celebration rituals. how scenes like that make me wish america had some form of on-the-spot corporeal punishment! (think police officer with one of those long batons smashing it into some asshole's backside..)

    now as far as the status of celebrity goes, i agree. it's a pretty sad sight to see the kinds people looked up to as role models in modern america. what a joke.

    oh, and you're a life long fan of sport yourself? guess that makes you one of those brain dead couch potatoes too huh?
     
    #114     Nov 27, 2002
  5. Miki

    Miki

    As a proud member of brain dead couch potatoes I resent any insinuation that this character, tampa, is even remotely qualified to be one of us.
     
    #115     Nov 27, 2002
  6. Mr roboto,

    BINGO...you hit it on the nail.

    There are Athletes with poor characters, movie stars with poor characters and obviously traders with poor characters, cops with poor characters, electricians with poor characters, next door neighbors with poor characters, grocery store clerk with poor characters and on and on....

    I too place "partial" blame on those of us raising such individuals with poor characters.

    That's like saying daytraders are psychopaths and will murder their family after realizing they suck at trading (remember the Atlanta trader).

    http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/30/atlanta.shooting.01/

    http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/0202/0224daytrader.html

    I DON"T BLAME THEIR JOB OCCUPATION... or should I?

    http://www.paralegals.org/Reporter/Year-end00/pg57.htm

    No matter where we go in society...there are bad apples.

    This reminds me of another issue...It's like the gun issue...do we blame the gun or the user of the gun? Do we blame those making the gun? Do we blame those raising those using the gun? Where does the blame stop or start?

    Thus, do we blame the "sport" or the user of the sport? Do we blame those watching the sport? Do we blame those raising those making revenue from the sport? Where does the blame stop or start?

    Like I said in an earlier post...

    Sports builds healty characters...sports will also expose those with weak (unhealty) characters...it's just the way it is for whatever reason.

    The same is true for trading...

    Trading builds healthy characters...trading will also expose those with weak (unhealthy) characters...its just the way it is for whatever reason.

    Those individuals that have something that's negative against the "glorification" of sports while taking money out of their pockets to buy tickets or feeding the sport advertisers via turning on the TV to watch it...are just silly hypocrites.

    This reminds me of a world protest event I was taking documentaring via photographs in my province...

    I saw a group of angry individuals with signs about how corporate america are taking advantage of the poor in other countries to build their products...

    Anger against Nike and so many others...

    yet I saw a few protesters with a pair of Nikes on...another with Reebook...another with a North Face jacket...another with signs with handles made out of timber not knowing or forgetting where wood comes from, another pisssing on the side in the gutter not knowing or forgetting he's adding to the pollution...

    Don't misunderstand...I got nothing against those that jump on a stage like arena (pun intended) to write their angry words, to yell through microphones about the ills of society...

    but those that do such while buying the same products they hate...while watching the same events they speak about with such rudeness...

    these are individuals that are hypocrites and unable to walk the talk.

    Yet...thank god that even hypocrites have the right to free speech.

    With that said...I'm glad Tampa raised this issue about athletes because it truly is a reflection of many problems in society and how we personally deal with it.

    There's always 2 sides to a coin...both with yelling fans (pun intended).

    I Love Sports and it has had a positive impact on my life and the life of so many personal friends.

    Chasinfla started this thread with the following statement...

    How does a champion think?

    How does a winner view losing?

    So far...I think its obvious the psychological aspects of trading has many similar aspects to the psychological aspects of athletes...regardless if your playing pee-wee baseball or are a professional soccer player making a living from the sport or a trader making a living in the markets.

    My point is this...don't be a hypocrite and think that we as traders can look down upon champion athletes or those that play sports or excel in other areas of their life...

    to do so only show how narrow-minded we are.

    Good thread and one of the best.

    P.S. Is fishing a sport? Is arm wrestling a sport?

    NihabaAshi
     
    #116     Nov 27, 2002
  7. tampa

    tampa

    As my dear close personal friend daniel m pointed out, there is much that a young man can learn from participating in team sports.

    First and foremost the young man learns to worship at the feet of older men, to accept whatever the “coach” says, to blindly follow his commands and dictates.

    Next on the list is character. The young man learns how to benefit from “bad calls” that go in his favor. He learns to look the other way when the “ref” mistakenly gives his team an advantage, rather than insist that the call be reversed, that justice prevails.

    The young person learns what it means to be a team player. He learns that he is expected to give his all for the team – one for all, and all for one. If he is lucky he won’t get “cut” from the team only to discover that his team mates really won’t stand up for him in his hour of need.

    Participation in sports can and will teach the young person that if he is good enough on the field of play, he need not concern himself with many of life’s annoying matters. A poor academic record can and will be forgiven. Money and favors can befall him from alumni – almost as if sent from heaven above. If the young person is good enough at the sport, he will find that he need not be bothered following most rules and many laws that other less gifted folks must contend with in daily life.

    He will learn that the more at risk he places his own health and well being, the louder the crowd will cheer. He will learn that injuring an opponent will bring louder cheers yet!

    The list of what a young person learns from sports is endless. These are but a few.
     
    #117     Nov 27, 2002
  8. ElCubano

    ElCubano


    Dont forget: Making Millions...........:D
     
    #118     Nov 27, 2002
  9. i suggest we move to ban all sports as soon as possible!

    thank you tampa for opening up our eyes to the evils of sport participation.

    just while you're at it, is there any other blame you feel needs to be assigned somewhere?
     
    #119     Nov 27, 2002
  10. tampa

    tampa

    ...keep your shirt on, daniel m - all in due time.
     
    #120     Nov 27, 2002