How do you value vol?

Discussion in 'Options' started by .sigma, Mar 5, 2020.

  1. d08

    d08

    Doubt he reads any of it, just direct to replies. Ignorance of the highest level.
     
    #21     Mar 5, 2020
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  2. He's got company
     
    #22     Mar 5, 2020
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  3. padutrader

    padutrader

    because those who do not look at options are idiots.

    I have been in markets for 30 years and vol has meant volume.

    edit YEAH I am Idiot but give respect and use capital
     
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    #23     Mar 5, 2020
  4. There, fixed
     
    #24     Mar 5, 2020
  5. ffs1001

    ffs1001

    .sigma, this thread has given a couple of people the chance to show their quant level knowledge on vol and how to model it. If you are academically minded and want to indulge in what's effectively an intellectual pastime, go for it, and model things to the nth degree of accuracy using complex formulae etc. Or you could be pragmatic.

    I don't bother with higher level mathematics (although I've studied it at university level), and I don't need to. Sometimes simple is best. I trade for a living. I trade for 6-8 hours a day. I keep an eye an vol, and I use Option Net Explorer to do all the modelling I need. Or a simply back of an envelope calculation to tell me if something is cheap or expensive. Sure, I've written my own Black-Scholes Excel worksheets tailored to my needs, but I rarely use them. Vol is one of those things which is like poker - just when you think you know the game well, you realise there's a whole new level of knowledge that exists, just beyond your reach.
    Vol is a complex beast and it's what makes options traders different to say futures traders, or Forex traders. As options traders, we are effectively trading just time and volatility. There's a certain macho-ism around vol, and the level of jargon that an options trader uses regarding vol is often proportional to their ego.

    So....keep it simple, don't get too deep into the complexities, and take a practical approach with a keen eye of the relationship between theta and vega of a trade.

    Good luck.
     
    #25     Mar 5, 2020
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  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    At some level we are all idiots.

    For me it is butterfly.
     
    #26     Mar 5, 2020
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  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    And don't forget my friends delta and gamma.
     
    #27     Mar 5, 2020
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  8. monet

    monet

    faaaave! soooooo cuuuuute!

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    #28     Mar 5, 2020
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  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    #29     Mar 5, 2020
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  10. .sigma

    .sigma

    firstly by “vol” I’m speaking about volatility not volume. Regardless I completely disagree with your post. I use volume as a gauge in a few ways that help me construct trades.
     
    #30     Mar 5, 2020