How do you practically trade box spreads?

Discussion in 'Options' started by blueraincap, Oct 18, 2022.

  1. Gambit

    Gambit

    Is there any reason why anyone wouldn't lend at 4 percent using the box market? European exercise on SPX seems to make it a nearly risk free position.
     
    #11     Oct 18, 2022
  2. Gambit

    Gambit

    A retailer would have to do 25 or a 100 spx lots to access the floor it seems (could be wrong). Even with 1 M portfolio, that's huge size.
     
    #12     Oct 18, 2022
  3. Gambit

    Gambit

    Bob is there any reason you wouldn't buy the box? Thanks.
     
    #13     Oct 18, 2022
  4. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    It is a simple question with a complicated answer. Am I a market maker or a retail customer? What does my book look like if a MM? What does my clearing firm charge me to borrow funds. What do they give me on credit balances? How much margin does it require? What are my transaction costs? Do I have short option contracts to offset the debit balance. How long am I locking in 4% if I buy or sell it? I would only, as a MM, buy a .SPX box if the cost lines up as free money. There are more reasons to short the .SPX box.

     
    #14     Oct 18, 2022
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  5. ETJ

    ETJ

    High State taxes could bias the decision. There are also some corporate tax laws that could/would bias it.
     
    #15     Oct 18, 2022
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  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Infinite margin!!!
     
    #16     Oct 18, 2022
  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    If their cost of financing is higher than 4percent

    if they can earn more than 4percent on that capital.
     
    #17     Oct 18, 2022
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  8. Gambit

    Gambit

    I think I need to use a proper margin calculator. I assumed since the position was nearly risk free, margin would be almost 0 using TIMS/ Portfolio margin.
     
    #18     Oct 18, 2022
  9. MrMuppet

    MrMuppet

    A box spread is something you trade into, not a position you initiate. When you are sitting on an ITM vertical, it's usually better to box it instead of closing the position
     
    #19     Oct 19, 2022
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  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    the margin should be close to zero as it’s near risk less.
     
    #20     Oct 19, 2022
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