How do you manage gap risk on your overnight stock positions?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by JTrades, Nov 27, 2014.

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    Good points, good gap wisdom+ o poster TraderJ.
    a] Study all data [a]AIG,, BAC,[c] C have a huge downtrend on 10 year chart.[SPY is up on 10 year candlechart.]NOT to mention much ,Jim Rogers made some bearish bank comments again this year; amazing amount of negative fundamentals in IBD + news against big banks; WFC may do well in a bull market. Suprise can happen overnite anyway-I am suprised that sector is not gapping down already Single stocks are 2 risky for me;sectors or stuff like DIA may help.

    Not a prediction wisdom is profitable to direct. Dow [DIA] can be manipulated,IBD warned

    [d] Stuff like DIA does gap overnite; but like Rich dennis warned ''there is an insurance premium in overnite holds''
     
    #11     Dec 2, 2014
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    If being a bit more specific... I need to reduce size on each position until comfortable given the possibility of a large (10-80%) gap against.

    I was thinking a quarter of the account per position, but an eighth would in fact be more my comfort level.

    In the extreme case 1/8 * 80% be would be a 10% loss on the account. Maybe a once per decade event if actively trading.
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    Also because of that reason I have split my account into 30-50 single stocks which I swing trade. With my leverage (1:10) and fully using it, I wouldn't feel comfortable with less diversification.
     
    #12     Dec 13, 2014
  3. Scaleout.Scalper

    Scaleout.Scalper Guest


    How do you manage to obtain 10x leverage swing trading equities?

    Assuming no options and no etfs.
     
    #13     Dec 13, 2014
  4. I trade CFD's with Interactive Brokers.
     
    #14     Dec 14, 2014
  5. Handle123

    Handle123

    In stocks trend trading way to go, buying dividend producing and optionable stocks, so I can get an extra 10% more, if selling short in downtrend, non-dividend optionable stocks, diversify-never have more than 5% in any one stock. So when stock(s) do gap, you not wiped out, and might be a possibility of keeping the gapped stock if it pays high enough dividend and was bought low enough. We will have more 2008/2009 and can get in cheap on stocks buying good dividend stocks for 401ks.
     
    #15     Dec 16, 2014
  6. MarkBrown

    MarkBrown

    op question - have a gorilla size account and the balls to go with it.
     
    #16     Dec 16, 2014
  7. Sure i would exspect more 2008 bear trends,USO got there bear [200 dma]early],LOL

    But just like Bull trends tend to gap up[Wisdom is profitable to direct; not a prediction];
    Bear trends like USO gapped down againpast 24 hours] even if few shorts covered recently . So when Rich Dennis said it so well to jack schwager; ther is an insurance premium in ovenite holds[position w swing trades/Invests
     
    #17     Dec 16, 2014
  8. Scaleout.Scalper

    Scaleout.Scalper Guest

    Secret to swings is diversification, simple as that.
     
    #18     Dec 16, 2014
  9. I use options so there is less money on the line and the risk/reward is clear. By reducing the amount of capital that is held overnight there is less capital at risk. So I would not have overnight the whole account in options. I just set aside for situations that I am concerned about gaps (earnings announcements). I pay close attention to the expected move on the options and the ATR. In all, I consider the risk and the rewards and try to limit the risk. Sometimes I will use vertical spreads to further reduce risk even though there is potential gains to be missed. Sure a big move can wipe out an option position but the chances are more money would have been lost if shares were held instead. At times I won't hold the position if it does not fit risk profile. It is important to know the risks and be comfortable with them.
     
    #19     Dec 16, 2014
  10. Diversification isn't the only way, you guys are missing the #1 best way to mitigate this problem..
     
    #20     Dec 17, 2014