How do you determine trend direction?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by jpvil123, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. My error, FWIW, I use 10 charts with RTH, formerly the former and 8 charts with ETH, formerly the latter. A right trendline (RTL) is the right side of a channel and this is all that many people draw. If one adds a left trendline (LTL) then one generates channel. IMO, a channel is much more useful than a single trendline. Trendlines and channels add order to 'apparent' chaos and point out that the market moves right to left not up and down. I am not knocking the PA tribe when I say this, not that they would care anyway.

    I believe YM very frequently will lead ES in breaking a trend line (RTL) or setting a retrace or reversal point as a prelude to a RTL break. This is not quite a Boolean but it is very close. It is why though I just trade ES, I always have YM to look at. Trendlines are liquid entities that are obviously there to be broken. It is not a question of them working or not working. If there is a solitary spike bar or a breakout failure, then one simply fans the trendline to establish a new RTL. To not get sucked in on these line games, look at where the bar closes in relation to the trend line and whether the break was made with high volume. If the LTL is 'broken' then reset the RTL to match the steeper slope.

    IMO the most important thing is to draw a trendline using the method of Victor Sperandeo. It eliminates ANY subjectivity and that is critical. Fuzzy feelings about where/how the line should be drawn will facilitate a bilateral orchiectomy in the most brutal of fashions.
     
    #91     Sep 14, 2016
  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Tom DeMark method of trend line drawing is simple and mechanical. Not arbitrary or subjective at all. Plenty of info available including on youtube.
     
    #92     Sep 14, 2016
  3. Tx ST. Interestingly Sperandeo and DeMark were/are contemporaries. The former (born in 1945) first published in 1991, the latter (born in 1947) in 1994. A Sperandeo TL is drawn left to right whereas the DeMark method does it right to left. I prefer the former since the TL can be extended 'infinitely' forward. They both can reach comparable endpoints so take your pick.
     
    #93     Sep 14, 2016
  4. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    TD Trend lines extend infinitely as well.

    I also like his qualifiers to trade with or fade breakout.
     
    #94     Sep 14, 2016
  5. C'est vrais **
     
    #95     Sep 14, 2016
  6. Merci. C'est vrais.
     
    #96     Sep 14, 2016
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  7. Pas de quoi =P
     
    #97     Sep 14, 2016
  8. Markets & Market Logic (Nice Read (Last Chapters)) :

     
    #98     Sep 14, 2016
  9. Agreed. Nice read. Prediction - no. Anticipation - yes. Anticipation requires attention because you do not know when 'it' is going to happen, you just know that it is going to happen. As in, for example, anticipating the break of a RTL and preparing for a reversal. Whatever your anticipatory construct is you must know when you failed to anticipate correctly and make the appropriate adjustment. I am here just restating the last sentence of the first paragraph.

    It is the 'willingness' which is consequential. As someone once said, "To make money in the stock market, you must be in the stock market". This same individual also said that when you become an effective trader, you will react with what he called 'sports memory'. That is my aim.
     
    #99     Sep 14, 2016
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  10. Speculation. Yes. Anticipation. No =P You don't know what will happen (Forget bout' When (As you said)). But you know what could happen among moult (Fr) alternatives. IF this happens then I'll do that (opportunity dictates strategy).

    Agree that one has to be able to read the conditions (Signals) and not let the costs (If Random) taking care of his bankrupty.

    Nice citation =P Make sense. Skin in the game (No Pain, Full of BS). "Sports Memory" is build up over time. Life teaches how to live it only if it's lived long enough. Rule #1 is to Stay in the game. Experiments are better teachers than Observations. Uh ... May the force be with you.
     
    #100     Sep 14, 2016
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