How do you determine existence?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ShoeshineBoy, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. Turok

    Turok

    Rcan and Iam -- a match made in ... well, heaven.

    Bless you both.

    JB
     
    #151     Dec 24, 2007
  2. By this standard, I'd say I'm doing pretty well.

    Jesus
     
    #152     Dec 24, 2007
  3. By this standard, you are not doing very well. These are not 100% yet...at least in the realm of time.

    Jesus
     
    #153     Dec 24, 2007
  4. What is "scripture"? Define please.

    Is it anything that is scripted?

    Is it anything scripted that is really old?

    Is it something written in Hebrew?

    Is it anything that is written with a pen upon lambskin? Is it something written upon papyrus? Copper? Which is more true, lambskin or copper?

    Let us define scripture as anything written as men were moved by the Holy Spirit.

    How would you know the difference?

    I am having the same situation with you as I did with the scribes and Pharisees.

    They had scriptures. They revered scriptures.

    Yet we disagreed on the meaning of scriptures.

    How is that?

    If you write without the Holy Spirit, it has no meaning.
    If you read without the Holy Sprit, it has no meaning.
    If you collect scriptures without the Holy Spirit, it has no meaning.
    If you read a collection of scriptures collected without the Holy Spirit, it has no meaning.

    The Holy Spirit leads you away from this world. Always.
    You're motive determines whether you read or write with the Holy Spirit.

    Your motive is to keep and sanctify this world...to find your place in it. That is not the motive of the Holy Spirit.

    That is where you and the scribes and Pharisees agree, and where you and I disagree.



    Jesus
     
    #154     Dec 24, 2007
  5. Turok

    Turok

    He shoots -- He scores.

    JB
     
    #155     Dec 24, 2007
  6. No. Because he was crucified on a Friday, and the Passover was not on a Friday in 30AD - I believe that was actually a Thursday.

    The most well-accepted year and likely time, is passover of the year 33AD, (a Friday).

    You are running way askew so far for someone who is Divine, "I am Not" You should at minimum, be able to read my mind, as you are supposed to be omnisicient. Then you would have the perfect answer.

    Again, you are supposed to be Prophet, Priest and King. The test of a TRUE prophet is 100% accuracy, otherwise, you are to be dismissed.

     
    #156     Dec 24, 2007


  7. You've just illustrated that you do not know the exact year, day or time.

    And yet, you think that if I match my answer to what you think, then I would have the perfect answer.

    And this is precisely the problem with you scribe and Pharisee type people.

    If I told you the correct answer, and it did not line up with your prejudices, then you would say I am a liar.

    Don't you see how foolish this is?

    Jesus
     
    #157     Dec 24, 2007
  8. Not even close:

    Zec 12:10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn."

    When will you stop guessing and start demonstrating an understanding of someone who claims to be Jesus?
     
    #158     Dec 24, 2007
  9. Just to name a couple:

    Isaiah 53
    1 Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

    2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
    He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

    3 He was despised and rejected by men,
    a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
    Like one from whom men hide their faces
    he was despised, and we esteemed him not.


    4 Surely he took up our infirmities
    and carried our sorrows,
    yet we considered him stricken by God,
    smitten by him, and afflicted.

    5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.


    6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to his own way;
    and the LORD has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.

    7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
    he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,

    and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.

    8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    And who can speak of his descendants?
    [/b]For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

    9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
    though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.

    10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, [/b]
    he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

    11 After the suffering of his soul,
    he will see the light of life and be satisfied ;
    by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.

    12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
    because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
    For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.


    Psalm 22

    1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from the words of my groaning?
    2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
    by night, and am not silent.


    3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
    you are the praise of Israel.

    4 In you our fathers put their trust;
    they trusted and you delivered them.

    5 They cried to you and were saved;
    in you they trusted and were not disappointed.

    6 But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by men and despised by the people.

    7 All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads:


    8 "He trusts in the LORD;
    let the LORD rescue him.
    Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him."

    9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you
    even at my mother's breast.

    10 From birth I was cast upon you;
    from my mother's womb you have been my God.

    11 Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

    12 Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.

    13 Roaring lions tearing their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.

    14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
    My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted away within me.

    15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.

    16 Dogs have surrounded me;
    a band of evil men has encircled me,
    they have pierced my hands and my feet.

    17 I can count all my bones;
    people stare and gloat over me.

    18 They divide my garments among them
    and cast lots for my clothing.


    19 But you, O LORD, be not far off;
    O my Strength, come quickly to help me.

    20 Deliver my life from the sword,
    my precious life from the power of the dogs.

    21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
    save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

    22 I will declare your name to my brothers;
    in the congregation I will praise you.

    23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
    All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
    Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!

    24 For he has not despised or disdained
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
    he has not hidden his face from him
    but has listened to his cry for help.

    25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
    before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows.

    26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
    they who seek the LORD will praise him—
    may your hearts live forever!

    27 All the ends of the earth
    will remember and turn to the LORD,
    and all the families of the nations
    will bow down before him,

    28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
    and he rules over the nations.

    29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.

    30 Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.

    31 They will proclaim his righteousness
    to a people yet unborn—
    for he has done it.
     
    #159     Dec 24, 2007
  10. Sorry, another brick. The truth is:

    I. Although hypocrites and other unregenerate men may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God, and estate of salvation[1] (which hope of theirs shall perish):[2] yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love Him in sincerity, endeavouring to walk in all good conscience before Him, may, in this life, be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace,[3] and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, which hope shall never make them ashamed.[4]


    Scriptural references:
    [1] JOB 8:13 So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish: 14 Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust shall be a spider's web. MIC 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the Lord, and say, Is not the Lord among us? none evil can come upon us. DEU 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst. JOH 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

    [2] MAT 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    [3] 1JO 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. 1JO 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    [4] ROM 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
     
    #160     Dec 24, 2007