How do you avoid getting shaken out ?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Sekiyo, Oct 27, 2024.


    • First problem is support and resistance doesn't even exist.
    • The second problem I see is you're using stops. Of course you're going to get stopped out. Refer to previous point.
    • My rule is don't buy anything you're not willing to hold.
    Also you know the stock goes up too right? Why take on the extra risk and margin going short?
     
    #11     Oct 27, 2024
  1. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    The TradingView range charts are strange,
    The one on SierraChart look more like yours,
    But for backtesting purposes … I use TradingView.

    I’ll try filtering signals with an EMA,
    Makes sense to avoid fading quick averages.

    What do you mean by “empirically determined” ?
    It’s a programmatically determined length ?
    Or you glance over the chart and adjust ?

    I know there are adaptive averages,
    But I never looked into them.
     
    #12     Oct 27, 2024
  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    How about all that chop at the top?

    When I'm looking for another tool to possibly use my main focus is .... where it fails. And can it be mitigated or not by stops or something else.
     
    #13     Oct 27, 2024
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  3. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Maybe S&R don’t exist but it’s not the point.
    I don’t use stops but switch btw short & long.
    Makes sense … Be an investor, not a daytrader.
     
    #14     Oct 27, 2024
  4. Instead of using stops and getting repeatedly pummeled by the market, I would manage risk by putting a cap on position size and let it ride... If it goes up, take your profits. If it goes down, allow room to average down. If it goes down farther then park it, and move on to the next one until it recovers. If it doesn't recover, cut the losses for a tax write-off.

    Also stops don't protect you overnight so unless you're day trading, they're kind of useless. And if you're day trading just so you can use stops then you got bigger problems. I guarantee there are no day traders on e.t making consistent profits... Or really any day trader anywhere... Swing trading is where it's at.
     
    #15     Oct 27, 2024
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  5. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Failure mitigation. Okay.
    That’s true, I don’t think about strength / weakness.

    Sometimes we just add redundancy,
    Like a MACD and a moving average are the same thing.

    Got to think more about this.

    Trades 3 and 5 closes below a previous low (support).
    Within Aug 12th-26th lines are mainly being “displaced”.

    There’s no new S&R being made in between.
     
    #16     Oct 27, 2024
  6. Just changing the EMA length again and again and measuring each outcome over many trades while keeping the other rules/filters constant.
     
    #17     Oct 27, 2024
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  7. .

    You're right, got to maximize gains when candles are trending and mitigate losses in the regions of severe chop...

    My imperfect compromise is to have filters that help a bit to not enter during chop, to take half the position off when price moves ~ 1.0 x the ATR in my favor, and to trail the stop loss so when price suddenly reverses the loss is minimized.
     
    #18     Oct 27, 2024
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  8. Or just do one swing trade and spend the time watching Netflix instead of stuck in front of your computer placing trailing stops for no reason. :)
     
    #19     Oct 27, 2024
  9. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    I'll refrain from commenting further because pseudo bars such as range ones are a non-starter for me. Only OHLC and Candles same thing but displayed differently.

    Went down that rabbit hole of Range, Renko, Momemtum, Ticks, P&F yyyyears ago to no end but time and energy expended. Maybe it was me, maybe not.
     
    #20     Oct 27, 2024
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