How Do We Nail the Bottom?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by netedge, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. SPX is 150 points - about 17% - off the low. That's a bottom. VIX has dropped more than 20% off the record highs. Credit freeze is thawing... sentiment has shifted from extreme panic and fear to just fear. Governments begging banks to accept hundreds of billions.
     
    #51     Oct 20, 2008
  2. netedge

    netedge

    The market is definitely calming a bit but the VIX needs to get under 40 to demonstrate the panic is abating in the market. It's my impression any forthcoming bad news could cause another panic with a VIX over 50.

    Do you think some negative earnings surprises could cause a return to the lows?
     
    #52     Oct 20, 2008

  3. Sometime in November/December, when it becomes quite clear to most Americans and to the the world that the economy is in a recession, that things would be bad for a few quarters, unemployment up to 7%, Fed can't cut rates anymore, Treasury and Fed have used up most of their ammo.... there will be a feww weeks of sustained selling, not crash-like, but slow Chinese-torture dripping dripping selling....who knows how fa down this thing can ago? 2002/2003 lows? Maybe.

    But, looking on the brighter side, things will start turning around by late Q2 or Q3 2009. I am afraid next 3 quarters may be quite gloomy.
     
    #53     Oct 20, 2008
  4. Wow.. you and kudlow must be smokin the same stuff

    This is just one more opinion but I dont think we're even close to a bottom. The market reacts to current conditions and when no new bad news surfaces it retraces to the up side a bit. just wait until retail spending slows to a crawl, xmas sales come in way below expectations, commercial realestate joins the glut of unsold, unrented foreclosed space. desperate homeowners finally run out of things to sell to pay their mortgage payment so they put it on their credit cards until they finally max those out and credit card defaults start to really hit the major banks. I just dont see a quick fix for the current mess. Even wealthy people I know have finally come to their senses and realize that the cash spending faucets need to be closed. The average poor american has no faucet at all. Things are going to get alot uglier. I admit that I'm a bit on the pessimistic side. I hope I am wrong but I fear I'm not.

    Good Trading to all
     
    #54     Oct 20, 2008
  5. Rimping

    Rimping

    Fully agree. Making predictions and making money are two completely different things.
     
    #55     Oct 21, 2008
  6. Thank you, HKIB, I really appreciate your insights. Have a nice and sunny day! :)
     
    #56     Oct 21, 2008
  7. netedge

    netedge

    #57     Oct 21, 2008
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  9. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    Huge, imho.
     
    #59     Oct 21, 2008
  10. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    Wasn't it Keynes who said "The markets can remain irrational long after you can remain liquid."
     
    #60     Oct 21, 2008