How Do We Nail the Bottom?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by netedge, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. netedge

    netedge

    It's far too early to say how long this market bottom will hold. My anticipation is that it is for the next few weeks now until proven otherwise. It will take a while for the VIX/volatility to calm down to say if we can truly start a meaningful uptrend.

    This could, however, be THE market bottom and so I would look for a calming in the VIX and more market uptrend in the face of continuing bad news. Just remember the market is always looking 6-9 months ahead of the actual news and events so we could begin the start of an uptrend even as companies report more and more bad news and layoffs.
     
    #121     Oct 28, 2008
  2. netedge

    My sentiment or actually my equity index trading strategy was very well put by Art Collins. Quoting Art, “The usual function of bear market rallies is to provide more grist for the downside mill. In other words, Tuesday was an opportunity for a hostile market to trap evermore longs.” His entire comments are at http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2149176#post2149176
     
    #122     Oct 28, 2008
  3. People thougght the Feb/march 2003 rally was just another dead cat bounce, too.
     
    #123     Oct 28, 2008
  4. netedge

    netedge

    Good point - retests are critical and this one held against a lot of downward pressure!! That is not a trivial issue.

    If there is to be another retest that will probably be a while out from here. Otherwise we go up from here - simple as that.

    Possible instruments to play the upside:

    SSO (my personal favorite - Ultra S&P long)
    EEM (if you think international will snap back even more)
     
    #124     Oct 28, 2008
  5. HKIB

    HKIB

    Dow, SP500 and Nasdaq are in the natural rally phase now.
     
    #125     Oct 28, 2008
  6. Throw away the charts. The fundamentals point to a huge. Judging by the most important econ indicators things just aren't as bad as the doom and gloom media is making it out to be.
     
    #126     Oct 28, 2008
  7. Yes, I agree. Fundamental is very good..

    Doom and gloom are just lies, don't listen to them. Just buy MOS, AAPL, POT, GS, V, CLF, CLR, GOOG, ISRG, BAC. All going higher soon.

     
    #127     Oct 29, 2008
  8. netedge

    netedge

    Fundamentals will make a difference - in the long run. In the short run this market is being driven by emotions. The VIX confirms this if you have any doubts. The economy is headed down before it will level off and begin heading back up.

    Nonetheless the markets are way out ahead of the economic news looking for the next plateau. The market recovery will precede the economic recovery. As long as the markets don't exhibit negative gut reactions to the poor economic news the rebound will continue.
     
    #128     Oct 29, 2008
  9. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    "How Do We Nail the Bottom?"

    Whose "bottom" are we trying to "nail"?
     
    #129     Oct 29, 2008
  10. netedge

    netedge

    I am looking at 50% retracement levels in the range of 1076 and 1200 on the S&P. I see these as likely areas of recovery for the bounce assuming we are safely out of the waterfall downtrend at this point.
     
    #130     Oct 29, 2008