How Do Options Make Predictions?

Discussion in 'Options' started by kjb1891, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. kjb1891

    kjb1891

    Nice explanation there Random.:)
     
    #31     Jan 29, 2009
  2. kjb1891

    kjb1891

    Has anyone found the relationship between volume and open interest to gauge what the market is thinking about an underlying at all?
     
    #32     Jan 29, 2009
  3. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    An interesting vision. I like it. Thinking like that is an example of a creative, intelligent approach to trading. Of course, the challenge is in quantifying the vision and making it robust enough to trade by it. But overall, it is in the general direction of my thinking as well. Good luck!
     
    #33     Jan 29, 2009
  4. what are the sizes of your hedge funds, returns and drawdowns in 2007 and 2008?

    in other words, how big is your option edge and how scalable is it?
     
    #34     Jan 29, 2009
  5. dmo

    dmo

    This sounds very logical but - and this is just my experience - this kind of linear logic will get you nowhere in the markets. It just doesn't work that way.

    Maestro's "poetic" approach - where money and human herds move in ways similar to a school of startled minnows - is a more fruitful and accurate way of looking at it IMHO. I don't know what his strategy is but in general the way he talks about market behavior rings true.
     
    #35     Jan 29, 2009
  6. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    Here is the book I got many of my inspirations from.

    http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/books/IntroCyb.pdf

    Now the soldier realised what a capital tinder-box this
    was. If he struck it once, the dog came who sat upon the
    chest of copper money, if he struck it twice, the dog came
    who had the silver; and if he struck it three times, then
    appeared the dog who had the gold.
    (“The Tinder-Box”)
     
    #36     Jan 29, 2009
  7. opt789

    opt789

    This is a good question, it doesn’t have to be answered with specifics though.
    Does this information give Maestro an “edge” that takes his returns from something like 9% to 11% per year, or is it much more dramatic than that?
     
    #37     Jan 29, 2009
  8. Never a dull thread with Maestro on board.

    Something to ponder.:)

    http://www.bulldogtrust.com/trading.htm

    "A POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION:
    Analysis was done of a sample strategy based on using put option "insurance" purchases to predict institution-sized IBM stock purchases. It appears the options, being less liquid than the stock, are typically bought first by an institution planning to acquire a stock, to minimize risk. During a recent day, eight significant volume and price spikes were noticed in IBM's nearby out-of-the-money puts, the options favored for insurance.

    Tracking the IBM stock at one minute intervals after each of these option spikes showed that if stock were purchased within 30 seconds and sold ten minutes later, these trades would be profitable 80% of the time, with profit averaging 1/4 %. While this was but a third of Medallion's tiny take, it is still twice expenses, mostly commission and spread. Multiplying these eight profits by a 200 day trading year, one gets 1600 times the net margin of one-eighth percent , or 200% gain on the portfolio, which would be 50% on total assets. "
     
    #38     Jan 29, 2009
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  9. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    Very good! The brightest ET members unite! Getting warmer and warmer. I am glad that the ability to think out of the box is still alive! Very good find! Without saying too much I was a part of this research (and somewhat I still am).
     
    #39     Jan 29, 2009
  10. Seriously.

    OI means nothing - unless you know how or if the options position is hedged.

    That's the truth.

    mark
     
    #40     Jan 29, 2009