How Do Options Make Predictions?

Discussion in 'Options' started by kjb1891, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

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    #151     Feb 3, 2009
  2. Lots of something on this thread, but not an answer to a simple question.

    Sad.

    I know jack shit about options compared to some, but this is not hard question.

    Let's see if these guys with 150 monitors can actually give a straight answer.
     
    #152     Feb 5, 2009
  3. MTE

    MTE

    OK, OK, here's the answer:

    Look at the price of the ATM front month straddle (assuming the move is expected before the front month expiration), which is the approximate size of the move that the market expects.
     
    #153     Feb 5, 2009
  4. cvds16

    cvds16

    if you think the answer is simple it only proves you know jack shit about options ...
     
    #154     Feb 5, 2009
  5. nitro

    nitro

    Well, this is not incorrect, but it is incomplete.

    The theta of the straddle can also be covered if the realized volatility is such that the underlying moves back and forth enough to cover theta. So if a stock is $5 say, and the ATM straddle is $1, that does not mean the market expects the stock to be $4 or $6 within the given time to expiration of the straddle. However, that would be one way that the the straddle theta would break even.
     
    #155     Feb 5, 2009
  6. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    The answer is "YES". The "how" question however is up to you to answer.
     
    #156     Feb 5, 2009
  7. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

  8. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    swarn theory..dumb individually smart in colonies....
     
    #158     Feb 5, 2009
  9. One of the best responses so far in this thread.

    "Ask not what your straddle can do for you, but what you can do with your straddle."

    Author, unknown
     
    #159     Feb 5, 2009
  10. mte's answer is close enough. The added genius is debatable.


    I don't get where you think the vibration (path) of the stock could be embedded in the vol.

    You mean to tell me they have an opinion that XYZ will vibrate 10 times between X & Y before landing at some price? This is highly unlikely .

    Of course if the stock goes 5 -4- 5- 6- 5- 4- 5- 6- 4- 5- 6- 5, you can make a killing on a straddle.

    I can make a killing on the lottery if I know the numbers too.

    Essentially , the atm straddle tells you what the market thinks the breakeven move will be , so that neither buyers or sellers have an apparent 'edge'. If you think they are mistaken then you can play happily. If not, you can't. They get it wrong often enough.
     
    #160     Feb 6, 2009