I'm afraid not. Sitting around waiting for "natural immunity resulted in what, ~7 million deaths...world wide. Compare that number to the number of fully vaccinated that have that died from Covid. The latter number is insignificant compared to ~7 million! Most of those ~7 million died because they had to sit around waiting for "far superior," according to you, natural immunity, because until late 2020 there were no vaccines available. At some point somewhere near 100% fully vaccinated we might see an inversion in the data for new deaths. That is to say the death rate among the fully vaccinated could become > the rate among the unvaccinated. But I don't think it would be worth the effort to explain that to you, or should I say "try to explain that to you?"
I read this entire paper. It offered fairly convincing evidence that prior symptomatic infection offers a somewhat greater protection against reinfection and hospitalization compared the protection against hospitalization among the doubly vaccinated for similar gap between the time of reinfection for those previously infected and the time gap between vaccination and breakthrough infection. The risk of hospitalization for the vaccinated cohort was ~ 5-fold greater than for the prior infected but unvaccinated cohort of similar size. Demographics and comorbidities appeared well controlled for. But note that both cohorts had very low hospitalization rates. There were no deaths reported among either of these two cohorts of the same size. It appears that both vaccination and a survived-prior-infection gave good protection against hospitalization from a Covid-19, initial infection or reinfection. The protection afforded by prior symptomatic infection was somewhat superior to that afforded by BNTvaccination. But this preprint study out of Isreal, which appears well done to me, can not be used to justify depending on natural immunity to protect a population against Covid-19. To the contrary, the study it demonstrates, once again, the effectiveness of the vaccines. Natural immunity, once obtained without dying or suffering from long term debilitation effects of a Covid-19, does however supply superior, not "far superior," protection against covid infection. No sensible person would prefer to take their chances with a covid infection rather than get vaccinated, if they have a choice. Vaccination is many orders less risky than non-vaccination. Vaccination is safe, painless, free and highly effective; it has an extremely low risk associated with it.
Bingo. I would add that government public health policy did in fact look at models to determine that Natural Herd Immunity (as in let it RIP through their population) is a losing solution for obvious reasons. Yet, to see someone continue debating about Natural Herd Immunity this far into a Pandemic and this far into vaccination is just an argumentative person. Just as important, it is someone that doesn't know how public health policies are determined. The good thing, we do have real life example in the Sweden experiment that failed (they admitted such last fall) when they tried Natural Herd Immunity. Sweden's government (Social Democratic) and the Health Public Agency decided on vaccinations, border closures, strict restrictions, and better Covid education was not only the least costly to their population...they knew it would provide the best protection. With that said, a new Variant of Concern can disrupt any plans regardless if someone has immunity from a prior infection or immunity from a vaccination because immunity does eventually wane for all. The good news, immunity from both groups above will prevent a Covid Hospitalization or Death. Yet, nothing is 100%...people still need to wear the damn face mask in doors and social distance because someone there may have an underlying medical condition that decreases the effectiveness of their immunity to protect against Covid. Vaccinated people are well protected in North America in comparison to those Not Vaccinated that has not had a a prior Covid infection. As traders, we should be smart enough to understand the risk analysis of this comparison. By the way, anyone know what happen (results) with the U.K. Human Challenge Trial of intentionally infecting volunteers with Covid ??? https://time.com/5940335/uk-challenge-trial-covid-19/ wrbtrader
When you see extreme liberal so called celebrities, not wearing masks, congregating in such small spaces? You know the jig is up. Remember the Obama birthday celebration where extreme liberals flooded the tent they put up to hide the attendees? Everyone was hugging, dancing in close proximity? What about the Emmy awards just recently? Same thing, no masks, close contact, with hugs and kisses? What about the NFL and MLB games? Those should be huge super spreader events and not everyone is masked as well? Thousands of people in one place and no social distancing? Yet, the claim is unvaccinated people are dying in huge numbers in hospitals? Hospital doctors and nurses resigning in huge numbers because they do not want the vaccines? Lies and BS, continue to be perpetrated, in addition to suppressing and trying to ban Ivermectin use? Cannot wait for karma to hit these extreme liberal liars because then, they have to live with their lies and the consequences it entails.
Yes.... and most of the responsible venues require Covid vaccination and/or a negative PCR test for entry. There have been multiple studies showing large gatherings can be safely held with these restrictions in place. Today's other hint - Ivermectin is useless in preventing or treating Covid-19. All it has done recently is increase calls to the poison control centers.
And more proof of Corona Virus lies including, that of vaccines. You extreme liberal ET trolls are just that stupid, and getting dumber by the day. https://www.yahoo.com/news/70-fully-vaccinated-prisoners-caught-120458867.html
And let's take a look at the prison situation which serves to prove why vaccination is so important. Study of Delta in a small confined population. Note the vaccinated fared much better against hospitalization and death. Delta variant outbreak infects highly vaccinated prison population, but few were hospitalized, CDC says https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/21/cdc...d-prison-population-but-few-hospitalized.html The coronavirus delta variant ripped through a federal prison in Texas over the summer, infecting both the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated populations but few were hospitalized, according to a CDC report. Among the 233 incarcerated people at the prison, which wasn’t named, 185, or 79%, were fully vaccinated against Covid19. From July through August, 172 incarcerated people, or 74% of the federal prison’s population, were infected with Covid, according to the CDC. The fast-spreading delta variant ripped through a federal prison in Texas over the summer, infecting both the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated populations, but few were hospitalized, according to a report published Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Among the 233 incarcerated people at the prison, which wasn’t named, 185, or 79%, were fully vaccinated against Covid19, according to the new report, published in the agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. From July through August, 172 incarcerated people, or 74% of the federal prison’s population, were infected with Covid, according to the CDC. The delta variant hit the unvaccinated harder, the agency said, infecting 39 out of the 42 prisoners who hadn’t gotten the shots. That compares with the 129 infections out of 185 fully vaccinated people. Four people were hospitalized, three of whom were unvaccinated, and one person died, who was unvaccinated, according to the CDC. The agency said the report demonstrates the potential for delta variant outbreaks in congregate settings, including correctional and detention facilities, even among places and populations with high vaccination coverage. “Although attack rates, hospitalizations, and deaths were higher among unvaccinated than among vaccinated persons, duration of positive serial test results was similar for both groups,” the agency wrote in the report. Vaccinating most of the U.S. population remains critical as the shots are highly effective at preventing severe disease, hospitalizations and deaths, the agency said. The new report comes as federal health officials urge all Americans to get vaccinated and continue to wear masks indoors, especially in congregated settings, as the highly contagious delta variant spreads across the country. The U.S. still has a dangerously high number of cases. The nation is reporting an average of more than 138,900 cases per day as of Tuesday, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The country is reporting an average of more than 1,900 deaths per day, Johns Hopkins data shows. Earlier this month, President Joe Biden outlined a broad plan to boost Covid vaccination rates in the U.S., pressuring private employers to immunize their workforce as well as mandating the shots for federal employees, contractors and health-care workers. The plan includes offering booster shots of Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines to the general population. A Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Friday unanimously recommended Pfizer booster shots to people age 65 and older and other vulnerable Americans. A final decision from the agency is expected any day now.
You have been so caught up in the narrative bullshit of fear you don't realize real data when you see it. We don't have great data on this... but when you piece all the stats together it was obvious to me there was much greater spread than we knew... and I stated that here. This probably shows massive natural immunity.. which is most likely why the curves tip over around the world.. usually showing the same patterns... and note... for every person with testable antibodies there could have been many more who were infected but no longer never had them or developed them. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...-prevalence-far-exceeded-early-pandemic-cases In a new study, National Institutes of Health researchers report that the prevalence of COVID-19 in the United States during spring and summer of 2020 far exceeded the known number of cases and that infection affected the country unevenly. For every diagnosed COVID-19 case in this time frame, the researchers estimate that there were 4.8 undiagnosed cases, representing an additional 16.8 million cases by July alone. The team’s analysis of blood samples from people who did not have a previously diagnosed SARS-CoV-2 infection, along with socioeconomic, health, and demographic data, offers insight into the undetected spread of the virus and subgroup vulnerability to undiagnosed.
When dealing with future vaccine resistant variants many of us would rather rely on natural immunity. If you are high risk you may be in big trouble. By the way I know a person in college.. she and her friends got Lamba and many were fully vaccinated. Lambda is coming. -- Safe sane people know its a risk reward analysis... We wonder what will happen with future boosters and variants... For instance I would rather face the uncertain future naturally since I probably already have been exposed to this virus... I know there are no guarantees... but I will take my chances with my natural defenses since so few people in my category die and I know I have been exposed multiple times. If there is new data and new effective boosters against some sort far more deadly variant to my cohort... then I will take the shot. And also note... if I feel sick... I will get tested and I will get therapeutics quickly... I suspect the healthy who die... in general... avoid medical treatment until they are quite sick. Early intervention can be very important to outcomes.