How can someone blow up in day trading?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by traderzhangSan, Feb 27, 2010.

  1. what I meant is you some some win and some lose, on average, you win 50% trades and lose 50%. all you lose is commission assuming wining and losing same number of ticks
     
    #11     Feb 27, 2010
  2. average down

    increase size


    refuse to accept loss


    hope for reversal


    watch loss become impossibly large


    crumble and close out just shy of blow up


    rinse

    repeat
     
    #12     Feb 27, 2010
  3. I am not sure what futures you have traded or plan to trade.

    You are assuming the spread - the difference between ask and bid - is at a minimum movement of 1 tick. Take a look at the e-mini Dow. The spread is at least 5 Dow points (5 ticks). Unless you trade the e-mini S&P.

    When you enter a trade, the spread itself already costs you 1 tick. Setting a stop of 2-3 ticks away and think that you can win/lose 50% of the time is naive.


    Also, when you actual have money on the table (in a trade), your psychological make up changes.

    Mike Tyson said: Yeah, everybody's got a plan. Until he gets punched in the face.
     
    #13     Feb 27, 2010
  4. Buzzed

    Buzzed

    You might as well go to a casino and keep betting on black. Double down everytime you lose. Long term you cannot lose unless you lose 7 times in a row, assuming you can double down 6 times and still stay within the minimum and maximum bet limits.

    Oh wait, this thread is about trading. You confused me. My bad.
     
    #14     Feb 27, 2010
  5. Not really my friend.

    Take the ES for example.

    Unless you are unloading more than 1500-2000 contracts you probably wont even move it.

    If you are talking thinly traded securities that might be another thing.
     
    #15     Feb 27, 2010
  6. my point is when you blow up , it is not because of your skills, but rather you don't follow simple rules.
     
    #16     Feb 27, 2010
  7. If aiming for 2-3 ticks, 'scalping', your stop can't be 2-3 ticks. You need to watch ES on a 1-min or tick/volume chart to understand it's price action....aiming for 2-3 ticks should only be done in trying to find the short term inefficiencies that occur between price/volume levels (relevant to time of day/event related)....and even then, the 'natural movement' of ES will move the spread 2-3 ticks against you and stop you out. Don't quote me on natural movement, I've just watched it enough to know.

    Remember something, the best scalp trades where price runs 2-3 ticks immediately, NON news/economic release related, JUST market supply/demand, WITHOUT running 2-3 ticks in the other direction, just by natural movement.....the bots/algos are already there. The bots will eat a level as SOON AS YOU RECOGNIZE IT'S GONNA MOVE. They are hunting. You have to be quicker than quick. I watch it every day.... as a ES discretionary/systematic scalper, you're swimming with the sharks.
     
    #17     Feb 27, 2010
  8. Your thinking is very flawed.

    You can lose 10 in a row just as easy.

    If we were all guaranteed 50% there wouldn't be much point to there being a market anymore.
     
    #18     Feb 27, 2010
  9. TheMan

    TheMan

    this is a great thread
     
    #19     Feb 27, 2010
  10. lol tell this to the 95% that lose everything, or struggle for years and years. Do you even trade?
     
    #20     Feb 27, 2010