Housing Rolling Along 2

I knew I worded that poorly.

I meant that about two years ago the fence sitters decided it was time to buy since rates were going up. Maybe they had waited because their houses were appreciating, but then decided it was time to trade up, adding fuel to the already overheated market.

Now that it seems were are near the end of Fed tightening maybe people are holding off.

 

When only 3% of the population can afford the median cost of a home, and buying continues, theres only one explaination: Mass delusion, exuberance, and psychotic loaning practices with interest only ARM loans at 12:1 leverage.

This has the potential to make the last san diego home market crash looks like a joke.

 

Wow.....and I thought I was negative~! Well said...OWP

 

that rent survey is from 100-unit or larger projects. i would guess that most projects are newer in very desirable locales such as mission valley or golden triangle.

in terms of houses here in north county s.d. - $1.00/sf/month base rental for SFRs... they sell at say $300/sf... so, how does that work, $12/sf GROSS annual rent AND $325/sf IS 25X GROSS and doesnt allow much debt at all... so renting the 2nd home to ride out a downturn is gonna be a real cash burner, and if values start to rapidly drop, carry that PIG will get heavy.

 

sucks to be this CEO!...OWP

AFTER THE BELL #’S FROM Standard Pacific:

Stephen J. Scarborough, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, stated, “The changing market tone that surfaced at the end of 2005 has continued to evolve during the first half of 2006, and we are clearly facing an increasingly competitive environment in most of our major markets across the country. We are impacted by growing levels of both new and existing home inventories, a steadily increasing interest rate environment, reduced affordability and weaker homebuyer confidence. All of these conditions have resulted in lower sales rates and higher levels of cancellations which have given rise to a greater use of incentives and other forms of discounting”

“It is difficult to predict when market conditions will stabilize and improve in our primary markets. However, we are taking the necessary steps to respond to the challenges that we all face while positioning the Company for the future. We have intensified our effort to manage our cash flows, including slowing our starts and reducing our capital outlays for land. And while we have had reasonable success during the first half of the year with the introduction of a number of our new communities that are well located and competitively priced, we have moderated our planned openings for the balance of the year in response to the slowing market environment that we face.”

Other income (expense) for the 2006 second quarter includes a pre-tax charge of approximately $16.3 million related to the write-off of deposits and capitalized pre-acquisition costs for abandoned or uncertain projects.

Net new home orders were down 67% in Florida on a 13% lower community count. A number of factors contributed to the year-over-year decrease in Florida order activity: (1) a softening in buyer demand, most notably in South and Southwest Florida, Jacksonville and Orlando, (2) a nearly threefold increase in our cancellation rate, and (3) reduced product availability in our Orlando and Jacksonville divisions.

The Company’s cancellation rate (excluding joint ventures) for the 2006 second quarter was 36%, up from the year earlier rate of 15%. As mentioned above, the Company’s cancellation rate was up meaningfully year-over-year in California, Florida and Arizona.

In Arizona, net new home orders were down 62% on a 100% higher average community count. The Phoenix market is clearly experiencing challenging market conditions for new and existing homes as evidenced by the surge in our cancellation rate during the second quarter and the increasing need for incentives to sell homes.

 

That listing is from 2001. That property closed for $692K in Spring of 2001. It's value is somewhere around $1,150,000 or so now. That woman may want to update her website

 

Interesting graph. Extrapolating from what I've seen here in North Florida, most of the rents were depressed, and even negative, during the great real estate price run-up from 2003 to late 2005. So, the timeline is probably too long. It would be better data to see how rents have risen over the last year only....probably around 4% if its like the rest of the country.

For fun, I did some plugging and chugging of numbers. You say that houses were $300 a foot 1 year ago, and are $240 a foot now. So for a 2,000 S.F. house, it cost $300K a year ago, and $240K now. Interestingly, 1-year ago, a 30-year fixed mortgage was at 5.4% according to some data I extrapolated off a graph from Bankrate.com. Today, the rate is averaging 6.21% annually. When you compare payments, $300K @ 5.4% vs. $240K @ 6.21%, you get the following:

1 year ago, the PITI on a 2000 S.F. house in San Diego was $3369. Today, the payment would be $2942. That represents a payment decrease of 13.7%. So, it would have made sense to hold off buying a house there 1-year ago. If rents did climb 4% there over the last 2 years (not the last 3 years since 2004), then over this "catastrophy", waiting would have made sense.

All that being said, a fence sitter has to ask themselves whether waiting makes sense. The cost of housing dropped 20%, but a 0.8% increase in rates offset it such that the payment only decreased 13.7%. In other words, a 0.8% increase in interest rates closed the gap by 6.3%. So if one assumes that the interest rates will continue to increase at the same rate, you have to bet that home prices will fall at least another 7% or so to justify putting off a purchase....(this ignores the savings from renting right now).

San Diego is the extreme example of a big price drop, yet a 14.7% decrease in home payments is hardly anything to write home about. This may boil down to whether the price correction we've seen is in the beginning, or final stages...and how high interest rates go during the same period?

SM

 

From Mish's blog...OWP

"Following is a set of posts from a real estate broker who goes by the name "Sonnypage" on The Motley Fool. This synopsis is with his permission. Follow the progression from 2006-01-04 through 2006-07-20. You might find it interesting:"

“2006-01-04
"Many of you know by now that my wife and I are both REALTORS and associate brokers. We live and work north of Atlanta in the suburbs of Alpharetta and Roswell. I made the point in a post last month that I have always thought that our business gives us some unique insights into the economy, not just here in Atlanta, but across the country."

“We are seeing an extremely high level of relocation activity. Our business last year was very solid, we closed 26 transactions. So far this year, days into the year, we have two transactions pending, booked in the fourth quarter, plus 25 prospects. If only two-thirds of those prospects close, then we already have 18 or so deals. They are evenly split, buyers and sellers, but much more importantly, 19 involve relocations. This is a very high level of relocation activity, the highest we have seen in years."

“More relocation prospects than any January in memory. The economy remains very strong.

“Mish and I would seem to have very different points of view on what 2006 holds in store. I am basing my forecast on what I am seeing, and what I am seeing is a strong economy.

“There will be no recession in 2006.”

“2006-01-30
Last week, my wife and I met our out-of-town buyers at the home that we had put under contract earlier in the month. It was time to meet a home inspector at the home for the inspection. The inspection took most of the day, so we had plenty of time to talk about anything and everything. The mortgage lender and I were both amused by all the chatter in the popular press about the ‘real estate bubble.’ He told me that his business is up about 20% over last January. I told him that we were having the strongest January we have ever had. It is truly remarkable. About then his sister, the buyer wife, walked into the room where we were talking. I asked them both, what would this home be worth back in Northern Virginia? We were under contract here in Alpharetta at $1.1 million. The buyer wife paused for just a second, then said she thought about $2 million. Her brother, the mortgage lender, thought a second longer, then said he thought perhaps closer to $2.5 million.

“Where's your housing recession, Mish? In actuality, if our economy is growing, the nations' total wealth is growing, then real estate as a whole, nationwide, continues to appreciate."

“Our business here on Atlanta's north side is very strong. We have four contracts year to date, we will get number five this week. This compares with 26 closings in 2005, so we are clearly off to a strong start. The unemployment rate here is 3.2%, below the national average. Business is booming. I know of no one complaining of slow business, or worried about losing their job. Everyone is too busy making money to have time to worry. As for us and our business, our average transaction continues to move up in dollar size. If 2000 was our biggest year, with 44 transactions, we could easily make more dollars this year with as few as perhaps 30 deals. We are seeing lots of money out there, it's full speed ahead. A very bright year lies ahead."

“All of which leaves me free to make my biggest and strongest Sonnypage prediction ever. This time next year, I will still be making money hand over fist, and Mish and Gary Shilling and the rest of the doomsday crowd will still be pumping the next depression. And as always, it will still be just over the horizon, not quite here yet, but surely coming, right?”

“2006-04-07
If I am reading Mish correctly, he still is calling for a sharp pullback in residential housing in the U.S. that will lead us into a recession. Mish, if I am misstating you, please correct me, and I am still taking the other side of your bet. It's not going to happen."

“Real estate is local. I have no doubt that Florida, Southern California, and other hot spots are having contractions. The speculative money has bailed out and that's what happens. But here in Atlanta, where my wife and I have our residential real estate business, it's a very different story. We never had a speculative run-up in prices here, and so far this year, it's shaping up as a normal year. We have nine transactions closed or pending year to date, which is exactly where we were this time last year. We currently have six listings, two of which are pending, and those pending listings, plus two others that have already closed, are going at about 97% of list price. Obviously, that does not translate as a distressed market. We have the same situation on the buy side. Our buyers under contract are paying about 97% of list. We have not been able to find distressed sellers for our buyers in upscale neighborhoods willing to sell at major discounts to list price. The only other part of the country that I can offer direct evidence of is Houston. My brother-in-law is a builder, while my sister and one of her daughters are a mother-daughter REALTOR team. Here is an e-mail from my sister from last week about the Houston real estate market:"

“‘We put a $ 1.5 mil house under contract today and met with someone yesterday about our $2.7 mil spec. [The daughter] showed a house to a couple her age that was priced at $469,000 -- a 3/2 one-story bungalow in West U. They were one of five competing bids and did not get it with their offer of $475,000. It was not underpriced. We are having the best market we have ever had citywide.’

“A collapsing real estate market, Mish? I don't think so.”

 

(Mish, cont.)

“2006-04-30
Most of you know by now that my ‘day job’ is real estate. My wife and I practice real estate north of Atlanta up in Roswell and Alpharetta. As Mish continues to pound away trying to make the point that residential real estate is doomed or worse, I feel honor-bound to jump in every now and then and remind everyone that real estate is local, local, local. That means that even if real estate is in trouble in, say, Florida, it's still, according to my sister, doing extremely well in Houston and very well, I would say, in Atlanta. We have 12 deals closed or pending through April, which is about where we were this time last year. It's looking like a 25-deal year, which is fine.”


“2006-06-10
This year is quickly becoming what might euphemistically be called a character-building experience. We are off to the slowest start in the 12 years we have been in business. Here's a taste of what we are up against. Two months ago, we took a great listing in Alpharetta, just to the north of us. It's a beautiful three-sides brick, full-finished basement in a cul-de-sac. They listed at $550,000, which was actually a little below what we recommended. They are definitely motivated to sell. When we had lots of looks, but no offers, they agreed to drop the price to $535,000. I e-mailed all agents who had previously shown the house, to advise of the price drop, and sure enough, one agent brought his buyers back for a second, then third, look. They offered $495,000. We countered at $530,000. Our sellers said they really did not want to go that much lower. I was not too concerned. I expected a counter from the buyers, then another counter from my sellers, and we would eventually get there. The next morning, when I did not hear back from the buyer's agent, I gave him a call. Did I get a shock: They were done, that was it, no higher offer. So what we have are buyers who just don't want to pay too much, who are really skittish, and sellers who are having trouble accepting that things are slowing down. Two years ago, or even last summer, we would have that house under contract. But not this year. We now have a total of six listings, five of which have reduced, the other is brand new. Only one really active buyer, plus two of the listings who will buy locally if they can first sell. If things don't pick up fairly quickly, this will be our slowest year ever. We have closed or have pending a total of only 12 transactions year to date. We have booked only one contract since May 1, which is really slow. Our business plan was 30 transactions; I would have been OK with 26, but at this rate, we will not reach 20. This is normally our peak season. If Atlanta, which has been a solid market with no speculative price run-ups, is faltering, then I suspect that this slowdown has become national at last, no longer just local.

“The economy is slowing and is doing so rather quickly. In my opinion, at least, the chances of a recession starting no later than the first quarter have increased significantly.”

“2006-07-20
Most of the regulars here know that my wife and I are a REALTOR team associated with one of the major national firms here on Atlanta's north side, out in Roswell and Alpharetta. It's been a character-building year, as another agent in our office put it the other day. What makes it more stunning, at least to me, is that it started out so well. We ended the first quarter with nine deals pending or closed, which is a very solid start. Then we hit a brick wall with only three deals in the second quarter and that would make it our worst second quarter ever in our 12 years.

“Then it got worse. Normally, over the years, about 1 in 15 deals falls out -- that is, they fail to close. Usually, it's over the inspection contingency amendment, but not always. At any rate, two of our three second-quarter contracts failed to close. Unbelievably, we booked and closed only one contract in the second quarter. So here we are, July 20, with only 10 deals for the year. What a mess.

“How those two contracts failed just might tell a story about this year’s market and the economy in general. First, one of them was, indeed, over the inspection amendment. Most of you understand that after going under contract, the buyer is entitled to have a qualified home inspector do an inspection. The buyer then presents a copy of the inspection to the seller, along with an amendment to the contract asking for the repair of defects affecting safety or the structural integrity of the home. In this instance, the buyer went far beyond that, asking for, at least in my opinion, cosmetic items and home improvements. Our sellers' response, I thought, was more than fair, but the buyer would not yield. Normally, we can work these differences out, but not this time. Looking back, it is clear that the buyer was determined to wring additional concessions out of the seller or not close. We had a failed agreement, and both parties signed a termination and release, as required. That listing is back on the market.

“Then, the other failed contract was even more unusual. We had been working with relocation buyers from Cincinnati for several months. We found them a great house and went under contract. Ten days before closing, they called to say they had decided they did not want to move. [Instead,] he is leaving the company [that was] trying to move him to Atlanta. My take on this is he was afraid they would move him down here and then let him go. His company is facing a management reshuffle. But who knows? At any rate, it cost him $5,500, his forfeited earnest money.

“So here we are with 10 deals and needing a total of about 20 to meet our cash flow needs: personal and business, plus taxes. The last year we failed to ‘make a living,’ so to speak, in real estate was about 1994. Without a strong finish, we just may be looking at that again. What are our chances of pulling it out? It's still possible. We have several buyer prospects, plus we have 10 listings, and listings are the lifeblood of any real estate business. We will, with certainty, get one more listing by month's end. On the other hand, we have a listing that expires at midnight Monday and we don't expect them to renew. They have had two lowball offers and have refused both. My take is that they can't reduce without going underwater.

“What do you do if you owe more on your home than you can sell it for? Apparently, you just decide to sit on it and hope for a better market, at least for now.”

Mish Says:

For one reason or other, REALTORS across the country thought, "It's different here." "We are unique." "Real estate is local." "It won't happen here." "There is no bubble."

 

Good stuff thanks for sharing. Here in southern california I've seen people get into the real estate biz the last 4-6 years making good amounts of money without the hard work. Problem is, they spend every penny and then some. These people have never experienced a market like 1990-1996. They have no idea what a "short sale" is. I've been in the biz since 1989 and have learned prudent and simple financial strategies like limit the overhead, save for leaner times, and spend much less than you earn.

I do question some of these "bubble" blogs though. The glass is always half full for some and half empty for others. It's quite amazing how quick these people's outlook changed. Seems their market lagged behind california by about 6-9 months.

Good luck.