House of Cards ready to fall

Discussion in 'Trading' started by eagle488, Dec 18, 2006.

  1. the chart looks ready, certainly.

    i'm long nasdaq instead, but it all correlates, but all charts asides -- lets look at fundamentals:

    1) latest correction occurred largely driven by inflation scare from commodities runup. I maintain next one will be the same, but won't happen until energy wakes up again. I'm calling that to happen in late spring to summer. This warm winter is going to keep margins up, oil & natty down.

    2) catalyst is needed. if earnings are solid, as i anticipate they will be this quarter because cheaper energy costs and continued low cost of debt [look at junk bond premiums], forward projections will revise upward.

    I agree a correction is necessary, but I'm saying it hinges on energy, etc.

    look at all the asian markets, which mirror ours lately - all buying up to new highs now (this week): aussie, hsi, japan ... I'm saying this selling has more to do with long funds on vacation.

    last night we sold off hang seng 100 pts in US trading. hang seng closed 100 pts UP last night.

    there is correlation ... I'll worry when our selling becomes contagious.

    i can't help but think next yr will be a repeat of this... i'll grow nervous for a correction as oil hikes up and geopolitical risk returns and become more neutral.
     
    #51     Dec 22, 2006
  2. I got this error:

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    I am using SeaMonkey (Mozilla) on a Linux box.
     
    #52     Dec 22, 2006
  3. #53     Dec 22, 2006
  4. Tums

    Tums

    yes, the charts do look alarming.

    but I would take into account that many traders stay flat over the holidays, thus liquidating their position in the past few days.
     
    #54     Dec 24, 2006
  5. i'm with you eagle that jan not gonna be good....private equity can only prop it up for so long
     
    #55     Dec 24, 2006
  6. you know guys: january is historically the strongest month in the market.

    furthermore, pre election years have historically been up yrs for quite a long time.

    aside from that, most economists view GDP picking up in 2008 ... and the market prices in forward #s.
     
    #56     Dec 24, 2006
  7. A lot of Bears on ET lately. As always, they will be proved wrong.
     
    #57     Dec 24, 2006
  8. Many people want to be flat over the Christmas / New Year period.

    Many EOY / thin market games going on and some want just to be flat for closing their books (tax accounting), others want just to take their (skiing?) holiday.

    Maria
     
    #58     Dec 24, 2006
  9. patoo

    patoo

    Sounds like RubberBird, aka Thornbird, to me
     
    #59     Dec 25, 2006
  10. billdick

    billdick

    I think one should distinguish the nominal or price average indexes of the NYSE etc., which will I think continue up ward during 2007 perhaps with the Dow hitting 1500, from the values these numbers reflect.

    I like to put this currently as "Dow is NOT at all time high. Dollar has dropped in value, so it takes more now to buy the Dow"

    I.e. expect the value of dollar to continue downward, and as a result, the Dow and other indexes to continue upward.

    Note this makes for a very happy IRS - you are losing value if long in US and yet paying taxes on your nominal "gains." This is just part of the coming inflation picture and how the US debt to GDP* ratio will be "controlled" if not ever paid. Although not very popular (good from a contrarian POV) I am long in Inflation adjusted bonds with the assets I could not get out of my US pension plan for tax reasons. Went very long in many different ADRs three years ago - on average more than doubled, with best SBS now up 700% (I retired a dozen years ago to live with Brazilian in Sao Paulo and that is the local water/sewer company - probably the world's largest and growing rapidly as half of population of Brazil is still without public sewers).
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    *The nominal GDP going up even as the value of it goes down with more outsourcing etc.
     
    #60     Dec 25, 2006