Honda/Toyata all-electric vehicles? TSLA competition...

Discussion in 'Trading' started by kmiklas, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Need off road parking as a min, I park on the street some where near the house, rarely even outside, 2/3rds of the population estimated in the UK are the same, only the richer people with drivers and garages for charging.

    Leave EV's to the rich and BMW M5 / large SUV alternative.

    Large Algae farms in desert land is where to go, grow Oil extract Gas, makes internal combustion engines Co2 neutral, gas for power stations and oil for plastics and fertilizers, keep the infra structure and vehicles as they are.
     
    #11     Jan 30, 2020
  2. Bum

    Bum

    Your "issues" are a bit off.

    1-Not enough capacity to charge at night?
    >>>>That's when grid use is light since most businesses are not running.

    2-Lithium in short supply?
    >>>>ALB, largest lithium miner has been struggling because there's such a glut of lithium. Check the chart of lithium or ALB. Bump higher recently but after a lengthy downtrend.

    3-Copper isn't a rare earth metal and it's not in short supply. Check the chart. Not a very bullish chart if in such short supply.

    4-EV twice the price?
    >>>>Compare TSLA to ICE equivalent. Not even close to 2x and in the long run, TSLA cheaper. Longer lasting, lower maintenance, lower "fuel" costs, etc... Check some articles where they did a long-term comparison.

    5-Battery replacement $6-12K euro?
    >>>>Cost for M3 battery is $5-7K. What about an ICE engine that needs replace/repair after ___miles? Motors last much longer than an engine.

    6-EVs have regenerative braking as well.
     
    #12     Jan 30, 2020
  3. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    1. Still not enough for millions of cars to charge.

    3. Rare Earth Magnets are what's rare, Coppers been in short supply for years, EV's aren't stressing as few being made, but 100x's they would do.

    4. Twice the price of initial purchase, it's several years before your covering the extra cost, if your a high mileage driver

    5 Battery pack still same price as a new engine and 50K not 150K what most engines go on for. I did say less servicing costs and Tesla motors are built to do a million miles.

    6 didn't say they didn't.
     
    #13     Jan 30, 2020
  4. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    All true but one problem Turv... where's the water gonna come from?

    Water hasn't spilled over Lake Meade's spillway in decades.We've got serious water problems bro, it just doesn't make the news.


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    Water war in California: Two agencies fight over Colorado River drought plan with a crucial deadline looming
    Published Fri, Mar 15 20192:03 PM EDT
    Jeff Daniels@jeffdanielsca
    Key Points
    • California remains a holdout on a drought emergency plan for the Colorado River that is due next Tuesday by seven river states.
    • Holding up the plan has been a fight between two powerful water agencies in Southern California.
    • The plan is designed to produce voluntary cuts that would keep the river and Lake Mead from reaching critically low levels.
    • The Colorado River typically accounts for about 25 percent of the water needs of Southern California, but during periods of severe drought it can be a much larger share.
    HOOVER DAM, AZ - MARCH 30: A 'bathtub ring' surrounds Lake Mead near Hoover Dam, which impounds the Colorado River at the Arizona-Nevada border, on March 30, 2016. The white ring shows the effects of a drought which has caused the level of the lake to drop to an historic low. The ring is white because of the minerals which were deposited on the previously submerged surfaces. (Photo by Robert Alexander/Getty Images)
    Robert Alexander | Archive Photos | Getty Images
    LOS ANGELES — California remains a holdout on a drought emergency plan for the Colorado River that is due next Tuesday by all seven river states. Holding up the plan has been a fight between two powerful water agencies in Southern California.

    The drought contingency plan is designed to produce voluntary cuts that would keep the river and Lake Mead from reaching critically low levels. If the plan doesn't get finalized, the federal government could step in and force mandatory cutbacks instead of voluntary ones for a river that serves 40 million people and some 5 million acres of farmland.

    Drought in the past decade has stressed the Colorado River to the limits and contributed to Lake Mead reaching perilously low levels. Lake Mead, located by Hoover Dam and a vital water source for California, Nevada and Arizona, had dismal levels last year that raised alarm.

    "We have a supply crisis that has been developing due to drought on the Colorado River," said Jeffrey Kightlinger, general manager of the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, a water wholesaler serving 19 million in six counties, including Los Angeles and San Diego.

    The need for water led Metropolitan last year to approve funding to help pay some of the costs for a delta water-delivery tunnel project in Northern California that would bring more water to Southern California. But Gov. Gavin Newsom last month said he would scale back the $10 billion plan championed by his predecessor.

    Newsom appoints members to an agency's board that represents the state in discussions and negotiations on river issues: the Colorado River Board of California.

    Earlier this month, Imperial Irrigation District, a water district in California's southeastern Imperial County with senior rights to the Colorado River, announced a plan with water cutbacks. But it required that the federal government pay $200 million for restoring the dwindling Salton Sea, California's largest lake.

    "Our job here is to protect the people and the environment of the Imperial Valley," said Robert Schettler, a spokesman for the Imperial district. He said the Salton Sea has become a health and environmental concern due to dust exposed by the receding lake.

    However, the Imperial County agency's demand for federal funds as part of its plan didn't go over well with Metropolitan. The Los Angeles-based agency contends Imperial's condition for money would be unlikely to be met before the federal deadline.

    "We gave [Imperial Irrigation District] time and space to continue to work on their Salton Sea issue, but at some point we felt we needed to move on," said Kightlinger.

    The U.S. Bureau of Reclamation asked governors or their representatives of the river states of Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming to turn in the emergency drought plan for the Colorado River no later than March 19. Approvals from a handful of water agencies in California and Congress are what's left for the plan to become fully implemented.

    The Colorado River typically accounts for about 25 percent of the water needs of Southern California, but during periods of severe drought the river can represent more than 50 percent of the region's water supply. The Las Vegas area gets nearly 90 percent of its water needs from the river system, and Arizona roughly 40 percent.

    On Tuesday, Metropolitan's board of directors agreed to bear most of the state's water cutbacks as a way to prevent Lake Mead from reaching critically low levels. The agency could contribute as much as 700,000 acre-feet of water, or the equivalent of enough water for 2.1 million households for a year.

    California is only required to make contributions if Lake Mead's elevation drops to 1,045 feet above sea level, or 44 feet below its current level of 1,089 feet.

    Lake Mead, which supplies water to cities and agriculture areas, has a more than 50 percent chance of reaching dangerously low elevations in the next few years, according to Metropolitan. If that happens, it said "severe delivery cuts could be triggered, hydropower generation would be threatened and Metropolitan could be prevented from accessing conserved water it has stored in the lake."

    "The key part for California is that once a shortage is declared, they still have some access to taking water out of Lake Mead," said Michael Cohen, senior researcher at the Pacific Institute, an Oakland-based think tank that studies water issues.

    Added Cohen, "If Metropolitan didn't sign on to the agreement, when a shortage is declared (which could happen next year), Metropolitan could not access that water. So by signing on, they still have the ability to withdraw water that they've stored previously."
     
    #14     Jan 30, 2020
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    you only need water once in a close system algae farm
     
    #15     Jan 30, 2020
  6. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Hmmm .. OK.
    I take it its enclosed then. (?)
    Well, we burn upwards of 400 Million gallons of unleaded/day.... that better be one big f'n facility.
    And you'll still lose water in a desert.
     
    #16     Jan 30, 2020
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Algae farms for fuel aren't very efficient. It's more efficient if you dry it out for cow/fish food.
    I think fossil fueled range extended electrics is where we're going. Either through an ICE (like the Volt) or a fuel cell like Nissan's been playing. I don't know how we'll feed that glut for lithium though.

    We really need some quantum leap in super capacitors, but Tesla just bought the only player in town, so who knows where that'll end up.
     
    #17     Jan 30, 2020
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  8. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    I really like this post by Sprout... https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/bitcoin-price-thread.315402/page-246#post-5003647
    It kinda puts things in perspective.

    The reason I bring it up is the 2 Trillion $'s we have spent in Afghanistan... I gotta think had we spent it on research into fusion.... where would we be?

    Fusion is the ultimate answer. Just imagine, unlimited clean power. We could desalinize ocean water and turn deserts into literal gardens of Eden.... among about a million other things. Roads that charge cars... etc etc....

    But nooooooo.... lets spend it on war. Human beings are idiots. As a whole at least.
     
    #18     Jan 30, 2020
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  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    We could've just started producing Bill's traveling wave reactors but we started a tariff war w/China killing that project in the interim and are dumping billions into a steel fence instead.
     
    #19     Jan 30, 2020
  10. Overnight

    Overnight

    Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor™ or bust. The rest is just fluff work trying to stave off the inevitable.
     
    #20     Jan 30, 2020