good article! here is another: http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0062.htm Robert Malley looks back at Camp David By Ellis Shuman July 20, 2001 Robert Malley was special assistant for Arab-Israeli affairs to U.S. President Bill Clinton from 1998 to 2001. He was a member of the American peace team at the talks held at Camp David in the summer of 2000. Malley is joining the Council on Foreign Relations as a senior fellow. In an article published in The New York Times at the beginning of July, Malley considers the failure of the Camp David talks. Though Malley was "frustrated almost to the point of despair by the Palestinians' passivity and inability to seize the moment," he still feels that certain myths have arisen about the talks, considered in Israel, in his opinion, as "a test that Mr. Barak passed and Mr. Arafat failed." Malley returns to the theme of the collapsed Camp David talks in an upcoming article, due to be published in the New York Review of Books. Here Malley disputes the view that Yasser Arafat was the sole culprit responsible for the talks' failure. Fictions about the failure at Camp David In the New York Times article published on July 8, Malley presents "the most dangerous myths about the Camp David summit." First he questions whether Camp David was the ideal test for Arafat's intentions. Malley felt that it would take a "a genuine leap of faith⦠to imagine that the 100-year conflict between Jews and Palestinians⦠could be resolved in a fortnight without any of the core issues -- territory, refugees, or the fate of Jerusalem -- having previously been discussed by the leaders. Next Malley considers Israel's far-reaching territorial offer. "It was not the dream offer it has been made out to be, at least not from a Palestinian perspective," Malley writes. And finally Malley confronts the myth that the "Palestinians made no concessions of their own." Malley defines major Palestinian concessions, including the acceptance of borders based on the lines of June 4, 1967 and the readiness to accept Israeli annexation over Jewish settlement blocs, including in East Jerusalem. "No other Arab party that has negotiated with Israel⦠ever came close to even considering such compromises," Malley writes. Malley applauds Barak's foresight, vision and uncommon political courage. But Malley feels that the "measure of Israel's concessions ought not be how far it has moved from its own starting point; it must be how far it has moved toward a fair solution." As for the Palestinians, they "did not meet their historic responsibilities at the summit either. I suspect they will long regret their failure to respond to President Clinton -- at Camp David and later on -- with more forthcoming and comprehensive ideas of their own." Clinton exasperated with Barak during peace talks In an upcoming article in the New York Review of Books, to be published August 9, Malley and coauthor Hussein Agha, who frequently advises the Palestinian leadership, say Barak's mistakes at Camp David contributed to the breakdown of the talks. Even so, the American peace team believed that Barak wanted to reach a historic final deal and therefore overlooked Barak's failings. In a preview of the article, the Washington Post reports that the authors say "Barak helped set the stage for failure by refusing to carry out some earlier agreements with the Palestinians, including a commitment to turn over West Bank land, expanding Jewish settlements in the occupied territories and then pushing Arafat to reach an all-or-nothing peace deal." This raised Arafat's suspicions, and reinforced his reluctance to accept the kind of historic deal that Barak was offering. According to Malley and Agha, Arafat spent most of the summit attempting to avoid a trap rather than seeking peace. More revealing is how President Clinton viewed Barak's negotiating positions. Malley recalls the president venting his "accumulated frustrations after Barak retracted some negotiating positions." The article quotes Clinton as telling Barak: "I can't go see Arafat with a retrenchment! This is not real. This is not serious." Malley reports that Clinton was also troubled by Palestinian unwillingness to respond to some of the far-reaching ideas he and Barak put on the table. The Americans were waiting for Arafat to offer counterproposals, but "Arafat and his advisers were paralyzed by their fear of being tricked, as well as by divisions and intrigue within their team," according to the article. According to the Washington Post, Arafat reportedly agreed to go to the Camp David summit on several conditions. One apparently was that he would not be blamed if the negotiations failed. Malley and Agha write that Clinton volunteered that the United States would remain neutral in the case of a failure. In the end, Clinton lent his support to Barak, whose political footing in Israel was shaky due to the offers he had made to Arafat.
No Wael, I did not jump to Camp David, I jumped to the final Clinton's proposal that he made in December 2000, half a year after the Camp David summit. While the Camp David offer was extremely generous to begin with, that Clinton's proposal was even sweeter: -100% of Gaza -96% of the West bank and 3-4% land swap -Full palestinian control over East Jerusalem, making it the capital of the Palestinian state -Limited right of return to Israel -Full right of return to the Palestinian state -International compensation fund for the refugees. You were getting everything you ever wanted, Barak said yes, Arafat said no. http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/12/27/mideast.04/index.html http://www.fmep.org/documents/clinton_parameters12-23-00.html
i cldn't locate the link for the details on that lil' bit... like how much in the fund and exactly who's signed up to contribute and what sort of amounts etc, owned to whom and on what basis... how limited the ROR etc etc... can u help?
What am I missing dddooo??? This December proposal, in the form of a night story, which I am opposed to it because it does not define the leased land, does not define the swaped land, does not define how are you going to connect the Arab Nighborhoods of East Jerusalem, after Israel rendered them isolated and gated, through ilegal land and properties theft and ilegal anaxation. But any way, against our bad feeling toward Clinton's bed time story, due to our experince with Israel's melecious ways, WE HAVE ACCEPTED!!! Following the failure of talks at Camp David in July and the outbreak of violence in September of 2000, Israeli PM Ehud Barak resigned December 10. Nonetheless, in a last minute effort to read a settlement between the sides, negotiators met at Bolling Air Force Base in the USA as guests of US President Clinton. On December 20, Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami and PA negotiator Saeb Erekat met in the White House with President Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. These talks did not produce results. On December 23, President Clinton made a bridging offer summarizing the differences between the sides and proposing the resolution of each issue as stated below. He asked for replies by December 27. Clinton subsequently (January 7) reported that both sides had accepted the proposals as a basis for further negotiations. The proposals as they appeared in various sources are not detailed.. They do not include maps, and seem to refer to principles for dividing up the territory rather than detailed borders, though other sources have produced a map that supposedly accompanied the Clinton bridging proposal. The proposals allude to an international force, but the nature or role of this force is not elaborated. The account below was released in the Israeli press and is generally accepted as correct. It is not official. No official document was released. Ami Isseroff http://www.mideastweb.org/clintonproposal.htm Are you OK dddooo???
Wael is here in a sincere effort to fight for a cause he strongly believes in. LoZZZer is an inhuman troll, posting here with the sole purpose of attempting to piss people off. (Learn what LoZZZer is all about, HERE. I have a little hobby that involves saving lives. (Like this guy for example- see bottom of page.) I've made the sacrifice of disclosing personal medical details here, in an effort to save other people from going through the unnecessary, potentially lethal torment of improperly treated Endorphin-Deficiency Depression. LoZZZer is a foul creature that actually tries to use this against me! Whenever he mentions 'bupe', that's what he/it is doing. Wael said it best: LoZZZer has also repeatedly made jokes about his wish that Hapaboy's children be victimized by a child molester. There's a very good reason why the rest of ET treats LoZZZer like the disgusting pariah that he/it is. Think about it. 2Cents, as long as you act as though LoZZZer is some sort of rational being, here for an honest debate... I really can't have any respect for you. Hopefully you'll realize your error, and we can move on from there.
One can only imagine the depth of the pain and hurt that evokes such a fantasy life from a fantasy figure, Rearden Metal... Thank you Albert Schweitzer for all of your selfless self sacrificing restrained anonymous efforts only for the sake of mankind... Oh don't get me wrong, I have no doubt you have a deeply chemically imbalanced brain...the proof of that seems quite obvious... Such a shame however, that your use of bupe or other pharmacology hasn't done anything to abate the paranoia or grandiosity...oh I forgot, you are a "genius." Yep, that's what the old buper has done, made you a kinder and gentler soul who seeks no reward nor recognition, preaches only peace and love and non violence, and wants only to give back to humankind in deeply humble and gratitude filled efforts for all that the chemicals have done for the sense of well being and security that emanates from you...
Everyone who helps others must therefore think of themselves as some kind of saint? Maybe in your deranged world. When was the last time <b>you've</b> done anything useful for anyone else here, LoZZZer? Go sift through your 20,000 feces-stained posts and find us one single example. Just one. And 2Cents, doesn't reading the creature's last post make you want to wash your hands? With a simple little provokation, I've brought it's vile underbelly up on display for all to see. Now you should know what I'm talking about. If you can't see it now, there's not much else I can do for you.
Whatever you say Albert...you are the genius who only wanted to help others out of your deep sense altruism with no burning need for recognition, and of course everyone else who voted in that poll who had a different opinion of your dependency issues was wrong (the majority of the vote), right? You are so misunderstood, what a burden you must feel... I am gonna speculate that whenever you make one of your guesses you are more than certain that you are right as well...that drug of certainty is impossible to kick for some certainty addicts... So keep guessing...that way you can keep feeling right, keep trying to win others to your fantasy, that's the bottom line, the intoxication and grandiosity that comes from feeling right...oh, and that feeling of victimization and self righteous indignation is just icing on the cake... ...and many jews wonder why they are disliked so intensely, simply a wonder...oh God of Abraham, why do they hate us so? We are just meekly inheriting the earth... Barry Bonds, Tyrell Owens, Kobe and yourself...so deeply misunderstood...
Thank you for providing everyone with a nice fresh example of your spiteful, malevolent and repulsive personality. That's all I need for now. Back to your hole.