Holy Xlf Batman!!

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by huh, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. I wouldn't go near XLF or C, we are going considerably lower.

    I'd play SKF a bit more before XLF
     
    #11     Nov 19, 2008
  2. ASav

    ASav

    It did and I wish I bought another thousand shares. Could have sold out last week up nearly 100%. This thing has really tumbled this year. It has its risks (also no options) but its decently diversified, they sell calls on their positions and buy index puts. I think its as good a place to be as any on the long side.

    Also see IID; International Equity Dividend Fund. Paying similar yield but 200 int. positions vs. 65- 90 in IGD.
     
    #12     Nov 20, 2008
  3. huh

    huh

    But thats my point here. How far can it realistically fall from here? Even if XLF drops to $5 there's enough volatility to write call options against this ETF and recover your loss in 4 months or so and play with the houses money by holding the shares. I know it COULD go to 0 but XLF ain't lehman and I just don't think the gov't will allow so many financials to fail that XLF would fall to 0.

    I dont' know I'm just baffled and surprised to see it this low, I can understand Citi being under 10....but a financial etf....don't get it. I'm buying!
     
    #13     Nov 20, 2008
  4. XLF isn't the only low-priced "index ETF" - there are several now that will run into trouble with the low dollar value. Especially the 2x etc levered ones where the slippage is going to just get silly - there are some interesting "implications" to 2x funds selling for less than the index they're replicating.

    When they set these things up, clearly no one anticipated this kind of simultaneous dump in the underlyings.
     
    #14     Nov 20, 2008
  5. Random - Would you mind expounding on what you call "implications" for the 2X long ETFs?

    Do you mean that if the index drops 51% from where it was a year ago, that the 2X ETF would need to drop 102%, which is impossible, since it can't go negative?
     
    #15     Nov 20, 2008
  6. huh

    huh

    Damn you're right on, I hadn't even thought about the 2x funds.....I wonder what would happen if XLF drops 50% :eek:

    I'm going to do some searching to see if I can find some more cheap $10 index efts with options. Seems like a good risk/reward FINALLY!
     
    #16     Nov 20, 2008
  7. Is there a scenario in which XLF or UYG go to 0?
     
    #17     Nov 20, 2008
  8. I'll take the contrary side to this

    1) first of all, you're 'number blind' in an etf, there's no such thing as an 'expensive' or 'cheap' number

    2) this sector XLF just went through a bubble - no iffs ands or butts. an etf can do ANYTHING in and after a bubble - just look at any computer networking stock etfs in the 2000-2002 period

    am i saying XLF cant go up from here?

    no, i'm not

    i'm just saying that you cant look at a number and say it's cheap
     
    #18     Nov 20, 2008
  9. They will do a reverse split.
     
    #19     Nov 20, 2008
  10. 100% agree
     
    #20     Nov 20, 2008