hmm.no edges in the markets

Discussion in 'Trading' started by chimera, Jul 16, 2013.


  1. For the 500th time--- it's not quantified, it can not be tested, its a subjective art, yet those who use it claim it can be automated and is objective-- however, zero evidence of this exists. the market is ever changing, while it does repeat, each time is different making automatic TA systems certain to fail. It only shows the past and the past does not predict the future.

    How many moves in one direction does it takes to increase the odds that the next move or series will be in the same or different direction?

    surf
     
    #1201     Aug 18, 2013
  2. You want my exact rule set? That would give you an answer but why would I do that? :confused:

     
    #1202     Aug 18, 2013
  3. nitro

    nitro

    I have to differ with you surf, although I can not prove it.

    I claim that what has been tested by academics is a very simplistic version of the TA you see in books, done in a very brain dead way. I claim that if the studies were done in a more sophisticated way, something would pop out that was undeniable.
     
    #1203     Aug 18, 2013
  4. For the 500th time... you are wrong.

     
    #1204     Aug 18, 2013
  5. To expand on this, if studies are being done and value is discovered, it would be TRADED and not WRITTEN about.

     
    #1205     Aug 18, 2013
  6. nitro

    nitro

    Is it coded? If it is, it would be trivial to have it post its trades to a twitter channel, and then the viability of it would be obvious. No need to give it away.

    If it is not coded, and you click a mouse to make the trading decision, it will be nearly impossible to prove. My interest in it is only from an intellectual point of view.
     
    #1206     Aug 18, 2013
  7. sheda

    sheda

    Oh your back to bashing just automated systems now, would be funny if the post below was from someone who subjectively picked tops and informed the world that it was solid fact that could not change, eh?


     
    #1207     Aug 18, 2013
  8. nitro

    nitro

    Sort of. The whole thing about secrecy in markets is sort of funny. Lots of papers are published all the time in more academic parts of finance that are worth a fortune. For example, options models.
     
    #1208     Aug 18, 2013
  9. Well, there has been a study that proves the long term viability of a TA system based on the 200 day SMA--- It actually shows a slight increase in the odds away from randomness over the long term--but the edge is so slight its unprofitable due to transaction costs.

    The market can't repeat in a exploitable way for long--- Because if there was, it would be found and the market would stop working. this should be common sense.

    surf
     
    #1209     Aug 18, 2013
  10. nitro

    nitro

    Right, markets don't repeat, the rhyme.
     
    #1210     Aug 18, 2013