HLF iron condor, weekly

Discussion in 'Options' started by nixodian, Aug 1, 2013.

  1. shooter

    shooter

    Just curious, does the Ackman/Icahn/Soros story play into your view of a trading range of HLF?
     
    #11     Aug 1, 2013
  2. stevegee58
    ICs suck when they go against you, sure everyone agrees! adjustments adjustments adjustments, when? how? why?
    what high reward:risk directional trades you chosen? l had too many naked writes, credit spreads go against me that l have chosen debit trades instead like calendar, a better long term prospect, with credit spreads bringing in spare change.
    deltas at 7 is a little far OTM for me, you would be taking on high risk : reward for that, a delta shift of 0.13 sounds reasonable to me. but is there a broker that allows you to set stops / trades at 0.13 delta change? and is there a way of calculating what the premium would be at a 0.13 delta shift?
    btw do / did you use IB on index options?
     
    #12     Aug 2, 2013
  3. "But you can't hedge a position where the second order Greeks aren't stable" ie when spot delta is zero, and spot gamma is low.
    can you elaborate? since when is spot delta zero and gamma low in relative terms?
    do you like using ICs / credit spreads in general?
     
    #13     Aug 2, 2013
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Your delta changes at the rate of gamma. So if you gamma stays the same you have an idea of your risk if the stock goes up or down. If the gamma doesn't stay the same then you don't know your risk because the gamma will be higher in one direct vs another and that means your delta will be higher in one direction vs another by a lot. This is hard to hedge.

    I only traded one IC this year: a 3 month iron condor in hlf initiated in like feb.

    The view was very specific to the situation involving icahn
     
    #14     Aug 2, 2013
  5. Of course the greeks are going to change. That's just the nature of options.

    Here's how to tell when it's time to adjust the calls for example: take a look at rolling the short call spread out one expiration and up one strike ($2.5). It's trading for a credit. This is ONE adjustment possibility; not THE adjustment.

    Now, as the stock starts to move higher, that adjustment will start to trade for less of a credit and eventually a debit. If you know what it means to read up/down the option chain, then you get an idea of how much the stock can move against you before it's time to either close the trade or roll it out for a credit.

    BTW, ic's are no 'better' or 'worse' than any other strategy. They do what they're supposed to do. It's the management of the trade that matters.
     
    #15     Aug 2, 2013
  6. I use IB. You can't to my knowledge place stop orders based on delta, just price.

    Directional calendars and butterflies are great really. You just have to be selective based on getting the highest reward:risk and probability based on IV.
     
    #16     Aug 2, 2013