Not convincing. Nobody believes the U.S. government attacked itself. Personally I find it difficult to dislike you. You are expressing these views but are doing it politely and not too maniacally. You aren't denigrating anyone and your posts are not insulting. Frankly you are an interesting person. But these views, they assault my intellect. They leave me with a feeling of bewilderment. I cannot understand how you could come to believe this stuff having served and being an aviator just like me. I am deeply offended by these ideas but can find no character flaw with the messenger. I'm going to have to respond to the ideas. You know these kids *could* figure out how to fly an airliner adequately to run it into a building. You know that a few guys *could* overpower the aircrew members as they were arrayed back then. Likely two big western boys could manage it back then. You know just how much fuel was onboard. You saw in the video not much fuel came out of the other side of the building so you know where that fuel ended up. I think you also know that a symmetrical collapse of a steel framed building is not a freak occurence but is *the* primary mode of failure for large structures of this type. I think you exhibit knowledge of all of these things. But you pass right over them and vigorously hit on some recurrent themes, that an adjacent building could not fail the way it failed. I've read your posts kind of carefully. I'm an engineer and have had a few material-science classes and possess a degree in electrophysics so I know a thing or two about metals. I cite Wikipedia (lol): "7 World Trade Center was situated above a Consolidated Edison (Con Ed) power substation, which imposed unique structural design constraints. When the building opened in 1987, Silverstein had difficulties attracting tenants. In 1988, Salomon Brothers signed a long-term lease, and became the main tenants of the building. On September 11, 2001, 7 WTC was damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the WTC collapsed. The debris also ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon on lower floors of the building. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires, and the building collapsed completely at 5:21:10 p.m. The collapse began when a critical column on the 13th floor buckled and triggered structural failure throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of the east mechanical penthouse at 5:20:33 p.m." Every word in that citation is supported by direct evidence. Exactly what part are you challenging? Let us engage a bit...
Here is a TRIBUTE to the MASK and "blue sweater" wearing ET crew!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4PiVMasO6s&feature=related "How do you like them apples!!!" :eek:
LOL..............Just messing with yaaaa! A few beers and an hour in a good bar and THEN you will see exactly where I am coming from......there is so much $hit about 9/11 it could make a person sick.
BTW, the WTC 7 info you have is not correct.....the building was SO HARDENED that even the CIA used it for their SECOND largest intel hub in the US other than Langley. WTC 7 was a brick $hit house and would have easily taken direct commercial aircraft hits without collapsing.......the main problem with most of you guys is your SOURCE for your info. You all keep eating THEIR $hit.......go FIND your own organic food AT THE SOURCE!!!!! Go to the SOURCE and the food will be pure!
Ok, a good faith response. Do you have evidence that the building was reinforced/fortified? Citation please.
It is NOT the U.S. government (as a whole) and I have told you this before. The entities involved use "directed" activities through well established embedded handlers and or operators. There are numerous heinous and exceptionally skilled factions who pull off amazing horrid activities around the world.....they are the operators! Unfortunately, at times in our history there have been very high placed political figures who do ACTIVELY enable planned events........that would be like chenney in recent history (or LBJ in past history). All I can say is, you have to get down in the mud to see how dirty it REALLY is.......until you are down in the mud you will ONLY have a perception of it.
WTC 7 info - Structural System Building 7 was a 100% steel frame building. Like most modern skyscrapers, it had a series of columns ringing its perimeter, and a bundle of columns in its core structure. Its perimeter columns numbered 58 and its core columns numbered 25 For the core, the loads were transferred through a heavily braced foundation slab. 50 new foundation "caissons" were built, most of which had to be squeezed through the substation building. As the existing foundations through the substation building were mostly not aligned with the perimeter colonnade of the new tower, they had to be fitted with concrete caps to allow transfer of loads to the foundations. Although not small by any standards -- built on Port Authority land, it was exempt from zoning regulations and could occupy the whole trapezoidal plot with no setbacks -- the building's floor space and height of 160 m were obviously dwarfed by its older twin brothers ***Emergency Command Center The 23rd floor of Building 7 had received 15 million dollars' worth of renovations to create an emergency command center for then-Mayor Rudolf Giuliani. The features of the command center include: * Bullet- and bomb-resistant windows * An independent, secure air and water supply * The ability to withstand winds of 200 mph The command-center bunker was the the subject of much ridicule when it was created.
"NYPD Officer Heard Building 7 Bombs" "The whole time you're hearing boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I think I know an explosion when I hear it" Saturday, February 10, 2007 Following our reports this week about three different ground zero rescue workers who all testified that they were told Building 7 was to be brought down, yet more revealing testimony has come to light - this time from a former NYPD officer and first responder, who states that he clearly heard bombs tear down Building 7 as he ran away from its collapse. NYPD officer Craig Bartmer awoke on 9/11 to images of the World Trade Center burning. Knowing colleagues who worked inside the towers, he immediately headed for ground zero to help with the rescue efforts. He is now suffering from respiratory illnesses as a result of the toxic dust inhaled at the site. Bartmer was in the immediate vicinity of Building 7 before its collapse at approximately 5:20pm. It is worthwhile to watch the entire 27 minute video interview below but in the context of this article, Bartmer's comments on the subject of Building 7 alone are transcribed after the jump. BARTMER: "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. I didn't see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did -- and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing. I don't know what the fear is coming out and talking about it? I don't know -- but it's the truth." BARTMER: "I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying... Nothing to account for what we saw... I am shocked at the story we've heard about it to be quite honest." Later in the film, Bartmer highlights the possibility that the attack was run from Building 7, as former German technology minister Andreas von Buelow has also postulated, and that it was then demolished to destroy the evidence. BARTMER: "If the means and the motive are they where would they pull it off from? The Office of Emergency Management was in Building 7. That was a HARDENED BUNKER built to withstand just about anything that New York would face. That building had a lot of important shit in it and there was enough stuff in that building to bury evidence on other fronts - financial records, government records. There's no way that that just fell down on its own, I don't believe it."
Fine, but I need something just a bit more than your personal anecdote. Can you cite any evidence, even some conspiracy website or anything that suggests actual reinforcement took place. Show me.