c, The very first racist comment in this thread came from RCG on page 3 or 4, of course. Then Ricter ponted out this movie was based on race in response to my bemoaning the fact that we can't have a good just a good war movie. Then I showed how the race discussion continues today about black pilots, and how blacks lag in areas of technical endeavor. You call honestly discussing the truth of the matter white supremacy? Whatever, but I will not sacrifice my intellectual honesty just to please you guys.
little girl, every try reading? ok, I DID NOT intend to become so diverted, but since the children cannot help themselves.... Somebody *cough* cannot understand the difference between a sortie and a mission. Go look it up yourself, I am not going to spoon feed everything. Let's dig deeper into the Air Force historians reports which can be found here: http://www.tuskegee.edu/sites/www/U...rmen/Nine_Myths_About_the_Tuskegee_Airmen.pdf http://www.tuskegee.edu/sites/www/U...EscortedBombersLosttoEnemyAircraft12.2011.pdf Notice that they are at Tuskegee itself and the man heaps praise on the airman, and like myself he values accuracy and honesty. Hopefully we can dispense with any bias accusations. The first thing one should notice is that the Air Force did not keep records about how many bombers any particular fighter wing lost, the historian had to do research in order to dispell the myth about never losing an aircraft. The airman lost OVER 25 bombers to enemy fighters, he stopped researching when he reached that number for some reason. Of the 311 missions flown by the 332nd, 179 were bomber escort missions. Of the 179 escort missions only 33 of them encountered enemy aircraft. On at least 5 of those missions the 332nd lost bombers to enemy aircraft. I guess the guy just didn't want to research all 33 and come up with a definitive number. He had to also research german documents for each mission so it apparently was alot of work. The Air Force thought it important enough to set the record straight in any event. I think the Tuskegee myths were insulting the thousands of other pilots who served. Other interesting anecdotes: and finally, something that resonates with my original purpose of the thread- I would have preferred a good movie with honesty. I agree with this conclusion.
I'll take The Air Forces word over your source "The Air Force conducted a reassessment of the history of the unit in late 2006. The subsequent report, based on after-mission reports filed by both the bomber units and Tuskegee fighter groups, as well as missing air crew records and witness testimony, documented 25 bombers shot down by enemy fighter aircraft while being escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen"
You need to stop, really, you need to stop embarrassing yourself. Understand something first, then try posting My source: Dr. Daniel L. Haulman, Air Force Historical Research Agency Updated 26 Nov 2008 ...and I told you that he said that there were probably more than 25 because he didn't research all 33 escort missions involving enemy fighters
When the Air Force officially updates their TA bomber losses get back to me.Today the Air Force says the TA loss 25 bombers and compiled that number from multiple sources and records "The Air Force conducted a reassessment of the history of the unit in late 2006. The subsequent report, based on after-mission reports filed by both the bomber units and Tuskegee fighter groups, as well as missing air crew records and witness testimony, documented 25 bombers shot down by enemy fighter aircraft while being escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen"
aww C'mon, really? REALLY? ... are you that fucking stupid? My source: Dr. Daniel L. Haulman, Air Force Historical Research Agency Updated 26 Nov 2008
After-mission reports filed by both the bomber units and Tuskegee fighter groups, as well as missing air crew records and witness testimony > Dr. Daniel L. Haulman