Himalayan glaciers expanding as phenomena puzzles global warming scientists

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Grandluxe, Jul 25, 2012.

  1. Himalayan glaciers growing despite global warming
    Glaciers in parts of the greater Himalayas are growing despite the worldwide trend of ice melting due to warmer temperatures, a study has found.

    In the Karakoram mountain range on the border of Pakistan and China, glaciers have defied global warming to become marginally larger over a decade, researchers said.

    The impact of global warming in the region has been controversial since an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report wrongly claimed in 2007 that glaciers in most of the greater Himalayan range could vanish by 2035.

    The research, published in the Nature Geoscience journal, comes a month after a study which suggested the rate of ice loss in the Himalayas was being overestimated due to inadequate monitoring methods.

    In a comment piece in the same journal Graham Cogley, a Canadian researcher who previously challenged the 2007 IPCC report, said making sense of the differing glacial size figures produced by different scientific techniques would "keep glaciologists busy for some time".

  2. interesting. although i don't take notes on every single article i read about the ice caps melting, i am fairly certain that most article refer only to glaciers and icebergs near the poles. perhaps there isn't as much net ice loss for the globe as expected. maybe ice caps on other mountains are growing too?
  3. And why did you cut this middle part of the article out ?

    "Julie Gardelle, at CNRS-Université Grenoble, who led the project, said the reason for the exception was unclear but could be related to regional variation in temperature.
    She told The Guardian: "In our warming world, there are regions of the Earth where, for a few years or decades, the atmosphere is not warming or is even cooling.
    "So it is not really a big surprise that there are some regions where the temperature is not rising and the Karakoram may be one of those.""
  4. Wallet


    How fucking stupid that sounds....... "The Earth is Warming! , well except for this part of the earth where it's cooling, but don't pay any attention to that, we don't know why, so it must not be a part of the equation that says The Earth is Warming!

    You want to say Hey! lets keep the Earth clean, I'm all in favor, but don't stir up some crock of shit, half-truthed, curve fitted science to perpetuate some calamity needing big brother to rescue us at a cost....... the earth has risen and lowered it's temperature to extremes several times all without the help man.

    The chicken little ET crowd, "The Sky is falling!!"
  5. You're pretty clueless aren't you? You think this is all some plot to install the UN as our government don't you? Do you really think that 97% of the climate scientists are lying?
  6. Wallet


    For naivety and clueless you need to look no further than the mirror..... man has been trumping up ruses and snake oils in an effort to make a buck since time began..... global warming is no different.

    The UN can't govern themselves, too corrupt, we'd be well ahead of the game by refusing to pay them another dollar and kicking it off US soil. And yes, 97% of those scientists that derive their livelihoods via grants and monies furthering their research of GW, lie to keep their jobs.

    97% of all scientists do not believe in global warming... please.... must be what today's liberal text books teach ,
  7. Yes they all work for grants, it's a ruse, all the climatologists are lying, liberal, a power grab, liberal, AL Gore, science is stupid , did I say liberal already ? Look out! It's LIBERAL !!!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Science is LIBERAL!! AHHHHHHH!!!

    Scientific Consensus on Global Warming

    Scientific societies and scientists have released statements and studies showing the growing consensus on climate change science. A common objection to taking action to reduce our heat-trapping emissions has been uncertainty within the scientific community on whether or not global warming is happening and if it is caused by humans. However, there is now an overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming is indeed happening and humans are contributing to it. Below are links to documents and statements attesting to this consensus.

    Scientific Societies

    Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

    "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (October, 2009)

    American Meteorological Society: Climate Change: An Information Statement of the American Meteorological Society

    "Indeed, strong observational evidence and results from modeling studies indicate that, at least over the last 50 years, human activities are a major contributor to climate change." (February 2007)

    American Physical Society: Statement on Climate Change

    "The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (November 2007)

    American Geophysical Union: Human Impacts on Climate

    "The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted December 2003, Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007)

    American Association for the Advancement of Science: AAAS Board Statement on Climate Change

    "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (December 2006)

    Geological Society of America: Global Climate Change

    "The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth’s climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries." (October 2006)

    American Chemical Society: Statement on Global Climate Change

    "There is now general agreement among scientific experts that the recent warming trend is real (and particularly strong within the past 20 years), that most of the observed warming is likely due to increased atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, and that climate change could have serious adverse effects by the end of this century." (July 2004)

    National Science Academies

    U.S. National Academy of Sciences: Understanding and Responding to Climate Change (pdf)

    "The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)

    International academies: Joint science academies’ statement: Global response to climate change (pdf)

    "Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring." (2005, 11 national academies of science)

    International academies: The Science of Climate Change

    "Despite increasing consensus on the science underpinning predictions of global climate change, doubts have been expressed recently about the need to mitigate the risks posed by global climate change. We do not consider such doubts justified." (2001, 16 national academies of science)


    National Research Council of the National Academies, America’s Climate Choices

    "Most of the recent warming can be attributed to fossil fuel burning and other human activities that release carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere." America's Climate Choices, Advancing the Science of Climate Change, 2010

    U.S. Climate Change Research Program, Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States (2009)

    "Global warming is unequivocal and primarily human-induced. Global temperature has increased over the past 50 years. This observed increase is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases."

    Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Peter T. Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman

    "It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes."

    Doran surveyed 10,257 Earth scientists. Thirty percent responded to the survey which asked: 1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant? and 2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

    Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Naomi Oreskes

    "Oreskes analyzed 928 abstracts published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and listed in the ISI database with the keywords 'climate change.'... Of all the papers, 75 percent either explicitly or implicitly accepted the consensus view that global warming is happening and humans are contributing to it; 25 percent dealt with methods or ancient climates, taking no position on current anthropogenic [human-caused] climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position." 

    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

    Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis, IPCC, 2007. Contribution of Working Group I to the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [Solomon, S., D. Qin, M. Manning, Z. Chen, M. Marquis, K.B. Averyt, M.Tignor and H.L. Miller (eds.)]. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, United Kingdom and New York, NY, USA.

    “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level”

    “Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”

    IPCC defines "very likely" as greater than 90% probability of occurrence.

    Sign-on Statements

    The Importance of Science in Addressing Climate Change: Scientists’ letter to the U.S. Congress. Statement signed by 18 scientists.
    "We want to assure you that the science is strong and that there is nothing abstract about the risks facing our Nation." (2011)

    Climate Change and the Integrity of Science
    Signed by 255 members of the National Academy of Sciences. "... For a problem as potentially catastrophic as climate change, taking no action poses a dangerous risk for our planet. ... The planet is warming due to increased concentrations of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere. ...Most of the increase in the concentration of these gases over the last century is due to human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation." (2010)

    U.S. Scientists and Economists' Call for Swift and Deep Cuts in Greenhouse Gas Emissions

    "We call on our nation's leaders to swiftly establish and implement policies to bring about deep reductions in heat-trapping emissions. The strength of the science on climate change compels us to warn the nation about the growing risk of irreversible consequences as global average temperatures continue to increase over pre-industrial levels (i.e. prior to 1860). As temperatures rise further, the scope and severity of global warming impacts will continue to accelerate." (2008)

  8. "Rising greenhouse-gas emissions pose significant risks to society and ecosystems. Since most of these emissions are energy-related, any integrated approach to meeting the world’s growing energy needs over the coming decades must incorporate strategies to address the risk of climate change. This section provides an overview of recent findings, with a focus on studies of international policy aimed at controlling long-term climate risks. Implementing climate policies such as these would have a dramatic effect on energy investment – and energy costs – over the coming decades."

  9. what's so scandalous about not including this? she is saying that the world is not uniformly warming, which is the point of sane global warming deniers. global warming does have it's sane and reasonable proponents too, but it looks like you're one of the insane ones. global warming is a very complex phenomenon, in fact, the more accepted term is not climate change. and this article does in fact prove climate change is true in some place: it gets colder some places and hotter in other places.
  10. Yes, the warming is uneven in both time and place, and there still will be cold spells, everyone knows that. But the world as a whole is getting warmer and the warming rate is accelerating.

    Leaving out the part where she says it is not strange to see an area of colder climate - within the larger trend toward warmer - was intentional and deceptive.
    #10     Jul 26, 2012