Hillary as VP???

Discussion in 'Politics' started by saxon, Jun 3, 2008.

Hillary Clinton WILL be Obama's running mate.

  1. Yes

    8 vote(s)
    15.4%
  2. No

    44 vote(s)
    84.6%
  1. #101     Jun 6, 2008
  2. Yannis

    Yannis

    IMAO: Thoughts on Bill Clinton

    "I knew after Bill Clinton left office that eventually he wouldn't be looked on very positively by most Americans, but I didn't expect that to happen so soon. It kinda shows how he never really accomplished anything of lasting importance. I mean, America gained hugely from the Reagan presidency and his affects on this country are still seen today, but the only thing we got from Clinton was lowered standards.

    So, in a way, Obama is his heir."

    :) :) :)
     
    #102     Jun 6, 2008
  3. look what the idiot republicans have set up... i am so glad i ditched those window lickers.


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    #103     Jun 6, 2008
  4. Sam321

    Sam321

    We have to wait until the spotlight turns from Obama vs. Hillary, to Obama vs. McCain, once Obama becomes the official nominee.

    If McCain begins to kick Obama's butt, the Dems will have no choice, as a means to avoid defection of McCain Democrats who would otherwise vote for the old bag.
     
    #104     Jun 6, 2008
  5. Hilldabeast running late for her concession speech. How typical! The arrogance, the need for the spotlight, the sense of entitlement, everything that contributed to her devastating defeat to a unexperienced black man. Pathetic!
    This is it for her! There is no tomorrow, no 2012. She's done! The only thing she and Bill can hope for is that Obama takes a bullet...literally. At best they're praying to their unholy god that he gets shot, at worst they're conspiring to make it happen.
     
    #105     Jun 7, 2008
  6. They are hoping Obama loses, regardless of the rhetoric that you will hear for 5 months.

    This would make Hillary the front runner again in four years. An Obama win means she waits 8. She and Bill don't care about the Party. They care about themselves.
     
    #106     Jun 7, 2008
  7. Yannis

    Yannis

    WHAT'S UP HILLARY'S SLEEVE?

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    "Why won’t Hillary just concede that she has lost and pull out of the race? Why does she persist in keeping her delegates in line for her and not releasing them to Obama? Why does she feign party unity while, in fact, undermining it?

    The Clintons never do anything without a lot of thinking and planning. There is no benign explanation for her maneuvers. They have several options that they are deliberately keeping open by their increasingly awkward positioning. Here’s what they’re up to:

    1. The Obama Stumbles Option

    As Hillary says, June is “early” in politics when the convention is not to be held until the end of August, unusually late for a Democratic conclave. And, as Tip O’Neill says “a week is a long time in politics.” So is three months.

    Rumors abound about incriminating material on Obama, the potential for misstep is amplified now that he adjusts to a new task of taking on McCain, who knows how many other preachers there are in the closet? Hillary’s skilled force of private detectives, who we once called the secret police, are doubtless diving into garbage dumpsters all over America to come up with whatever they can.

    Hillary wants to be there to exploit any mistakes. She will be watching and waiting. Suppose Obama flubs a line on the campaign trail or damaging material emerges from the Rezko prosecution? Hillary will indicate her continued availability as an alternative. Remember that superdelegates can change their minds anytime they want to. Now they are leaving Hillary to back Obama, the winner, but they could easily go the other way. By not releasing her pledged delegates, she remains within striking distance of the nomination if an Obama faux pas leads to an exodus of superdelegates from his camp.

    2. Hillary for VP

    By remaining a force at the convention, Hillary might be in a position to bail out a faltering Obama campaign by going on the ticket. There is no love lost between the two candidates. Hillary knows that Obama will not choose her voluntarily as his running mate. But if Obama falters, he might just need the shot in the arm Hillary would represent. By remaining in the shadows as a potential threat to wrest away the nomination, she might leverage her position to make Obama put her on the ticket.

    She wants to be VP in case Obama loses so she can be positioned for 2012 and in case he wins so she can shoot for the stars in 2016. And, she doesn’t want anyone else to have the job so as not to create a potential rival.

    3. The I Told You So Option

    By remaining viable and keeping her delegates, Hillary stays in play through the convention. Her aides and associates can be counted on to dump on Obama subtly and, often, anonymously, as he moves forward. If Obama loses the election, and did not take her on his ticket, she can run as the “I told you so” candidate in 2012, much as Ronald Reagan capitalized on Gerald Ford’s defeat in 1976, after Reagan had unsuccessfully sought the nomination, to bolster his credentials in 1980.

    4. Paying Off Her Debts

    By staying, at least partially, in the game, Hillary can continue to raise money and pay off her debts. And she can hold out a bargaining position to force Obama to do more and more to help her to raise money. Debts to her vendors are one thing. She can always raise funds to pay them off in the future. But the election law makes it illegal for her to pay herself back any sum above $250,000 after the Democratic Convention. Since she has lent her campaign at least $11 million, she wants to get as much of it back as possible before the convention deadline.

    Hillary may set her candidacy aside for the moment. But her fortunes will continue to rise and fall inversely with Obama’s. Should he hit a rough patch, Hillary’s numbers are bound to improve, strengthening her bargaining position for funds or for the VP slot or, possibly giving her enough momentum to reopen the contest.

    That’s her game."
     
    #107     Jun 9, 2008
  8. Yannis

    Yannis

    HILLARY CIRCLES SLOWLY OVERHEAD

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    "Hillary’s suspension of her campaign, and her omission of any release of her delegates, makes her a factor for Obama to consider for the next three months until the Democratic nomination is officially and finally his. Absent an actual statement to her delegates urging them to vote for Obama on the first ballot, Hillary’s candidacy cannot be said to have ended.

    Rather, the former First Lady will be slowly circling overhead during June, July, and August waiting for Obama to make a mistake or stumble. Throughout the next three months, there will always be the possibility that he errs so badly that Hillary gets back into the race. Should another pastor rear his head or if one of the mythical tapes that are said to be about to emerge does, in fact, exist, Obama cannot rest secure in the nomination as long as Hillary is overhead, waiting.

    Even if all of the super delegates desert Hillary, as most will now do, she still has 1,639.5 pledged or elected delegates to call her own. While these men and women can legally vote for either candidate, regardless of the slate on which they were elected, one must assume that they are true Hillary believers, who would not have been put on her slate to begin with. These pledged delegates mean that she is always just a step or two away from the nomination, should Obama commit a faux pas.

    And there will be many opportunities for Obama to err over the next three months. With John McCain keeping up the pressure by suggesting ten town meetings between now and the conventions, at which the two putative candidates appear side by side, a weak debate performance or a decisive McCain win in any one of them could trigger a crisis for Obama which Hillary could move to exploit.

    General election candidates usually try to move to the center after they have won their party nominations, but Obama may find his maneuvering room cut by Hillary’s hovering overhead. Any move to suggest that he might re-engage in Iraq should things fall apart or that he may not raise taxes for ambitious health care plans during a recession – any departure from Democratic Party orthodoxy – could lead to grumbling by Hillary supporters and crimp Obama’s flexibility.

    Oddly, McCain finds himself in a parallel predicament. Republican leaders are worried that he is not a true Republican and concerned about his liberal positions on issues like climate change, alternative energy sources, torture of terror suspects, and corporate governance reform. His ability, too, to move to the center is handicapped while he awaits his coronation in Minneapolis-St. Paul.

    But Obama’s is the deeper predicament since, unlike McCain, he does not have a rival whose vote share begins to equal his at his party convention.

    Is Hillary deliberately creating such an insecure position for Obama? Otherwise, why did she not direct her delegates to vote for Obama on the first ballot? She claims that she wanted to see her name introduced in nomination and demonstrate her large total vote for her daughter’s sake? But wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that while she has suspended her campaign, she has not left the scene?"
     
    #108     Jun 9, 2008