"Look at it simply, Hillary is pro-choice, pro-healthcare, pro-environment. She has been mostly right wing on Iraq, " zzz... continues to repeat this canard, this false dichotomy: right wing = proiraq war left wing = antiiraq war which has already been proved false fact: tony blair, a SOCIALIST (pretty darn leftwing) for iraq war. fact: TONS of rightwingers against iraq war, generally from the paleocon side of the conservative fence. tons of leftists, liberals, and democrats for: koch, clinton, lieberman, dershowitz, weisel, etc. etc. etc.. not to mention chris hitchens. it's a false dichotomy. a bogus way to try to pigeonhole the iraq war, which has supporters and detractors from various levels of the spectrum the fact is this. hillary is HAWKISH. being pro-iraq war does not mean you are, or aren't a liberal. Hillary is clearly a liberal. Bill, otoh, was clearly NOT a liberal also note zzz...'s use of rhetoric. Hillary is pro-NATIONALIZED healthcare, whereas he says she is "pro-healthcare" those are not necessarily the same thing. everybody is PRO healthcare. nobody wants people to be sick. the divergences come in what is the best way to promote health, and what is the role of govt. in doing so. but to believe that hillary isn't a liberal merely because she supports the iraq war shows that 1) you don't understand what liberal means, and 2) you are intent (as is demonstrated ad nauseum) in misuing terms to promote an ideological agenda
Hey dopey! I said Hillary was mostly liberal in her policy suggestions. Doh! Look at it simply, Hillary is pro-choice, pro-healthcare, pro-environment. She has been mostly right wing on Iraq, that is about the extent of her non "liberal" position. She is not as liberal as Howard Dean, but neither is she as moderate as say Joe Lieberman. This whole classification system is so silly anyway, designed for people who can't think for themselves, can't decide who to vote for on the total picture of all of their positions, so they need some remedial decision making process. Oh, he is liberal---bad. Oh, she is conservative---good. Damn silly, damn stupid, very much par for the course..... And yes, war, especially a preemptive war where the majority of our long time allies don't support such a war, is not considered a liberal peace loving position....
she is not "mostly right wing" vis a vis iraq for the umpteenth time hawkish vis a vis iraq war =/= rightwing it is NOT mutually inconistent to be liberal and hawkish. it is not COMMON, but hawkishness, especially considering one particular war, does not mean =/= liberal and it doesn't mean rightwing either. TONS of rightwingers are totally against the iraq war. many are isolationist in general, and against most wars
Doh! Hey dopey! Hawkish=right wing Dove=letft wing Doh! You must be a too young to remember the 60s.... "All we are saying, is give Peace a chance." ---John and Yoko--- War mongering is not a liberal position.... Doh!
first of all liberals have changed, they used to stand for something, now they do not. That is what I have pointing out to you. Liberals in the proud sense of the word would be Libertarian today -- many of their positions would be indistiguishable for a good conservative nowadays, Not a Neocon --- a good conservative. Liberalism in the democratic party has given way to Left appeasers. Politicians with no compass, no sense of core values, just a bunch of pandering to the wackiest group that will bring primary votes. Liberals then had ideas, a sense of direction a plan for the future. Liberals today are valueless vote scroungers.
Such sanctimonious horsepoop. You sound like you are reading right off of the Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, etc flash cards.....
Another substantive response by zzzz. When are you going to learn that I could care less if part of troll playbook is trash the messenger when you cant beat the message. Look at your last 3 troll plays. No substance all attacks on the messenger instead of the substance. It must suck to be a troll without without the power to aggravate. Pure entertrollment. We have trolls and troll owners.
Bush senior was a liberal. The republicans used to have a liberal wing. It was the eastern establishment. Check your history.
leaving aside the inflammatory rhetorical term of "war mongering" lots of liberals are, and have been hawkish john kennedy, scoop jackson, moynihan, hillary clinton, ed koch, etc. etc. etc if ur litmus test for the terms "liberal" and "leftwing" = pacifist, then u fail to understand basic political terminology, but i already knew that to repeat, for example, tony blair is a SOCIALIST he makes many in our dem party, and many who call themselves liberal in the US , look positively CONSERVATIVE by comparison you can conflate, confuse, and misunderstand terms as much as possible but i;'ll stick to reality
You are using a few exceptions which of course always exist to muddy the waters, the reality is quite simple - overwhelming majority of liberals are against Iraq, overwhelming majority of right-wingers are bush dittoheads on iraq and other issues. Yeah, right, in reality we use exceptions to "prove" a point (see above), in reality we compare american politicians to Tony Blair to find out if they are liberal enough. This kind of reality exists in your imagination only, then again I am sure when you voted for Bush twice you also thought you were sticking to reality.