Higher highs overwhelms Lower Low recorded temperatures, case for global warming

Discussion in 'Politics' started by tmarket, Nov 13, 2009.

  1. If you study the latest data, there is no doubt that there are much more higher highs than lower lows in recorded temperatures across the world. If this was a study of price action, you would think there is a very bullish case for global temperature rises. The latest study showed the following in the US:


  2. If our release of CO2 is causing it, then how come the 1950's is higher than the 1960's and 1970's?
  3. Based on this analysis I suspect you are one of many losers on ET. Why not use 420,000 years of data? Maybe the picture will become clearer.


    From this graph it would appear that temp data is rather stationary. This one calls for a RTM strategy.
  4. Ricter


    Long period. You must be an investor, buy and hold, huh?

    Why not use a chart that includes our lava-ball past, or our burnt cinder future?
  5. Tell you what: common sense says that when you bozo's figure out how to limit the naturally occurring primary drivers of earth's temperature (ie the sun*, cosmic radiation) without destroying civilization I won't laugh at you anymore.

    Until then I suggest we do what man does best :adapt and quit selling a useless neo-Luddite wealth redistribution plan.

    *I don't get what is so hard to understand that the sun has variable output and it's own orbit does not guarantee constant cosmic radiation.
  6. Ricter


    You're a little off on that simple perspective. Venus, much farther from the sun than Mercury, is as hot and sometimes hotter. There are other factors at work, we do have an effect on them, and we have mitigated other problems by acting on those factors.
  7. Really that's too simple for you.

    Well how about this: Since you agw folks have the hubris to think you can control long term global temperature changes.

    How about demonstrating that you can control small localized phenomenon like hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts,wildfires?
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    It is for (prepare) more than control.

    "Understanding the complex, changing planet on which we live, how it supports life, and how human activities affect its ability to do so in the future is one of the greatest intellectual challenges facing humanity. It is also one of the most important challenges for society as it seeks to achieve prosperity, health, and sustainability.

    The first question the NRC committee had to address was the national capabilities for Earth observations. We were troubled by the answer.

    We found that the current investment strategies had led to a system at risk of collapse. That assessment was based on the observed decline in funding for Earth-observation missions in NASA and the consequent cancellation, downsizing, and delay of a number of critical missions and instruments in both agencies. There are many potential consequences.
    Some examples are:

    Weather forecasts and warnings may become less accurate, putting more people at risk and diminishing the proven economic value of accurate forecasts – this is particularly important to this country since we must cope with many forms of extreme weather, be it in the form of hurricanes, tornadoes, drought, floods or winter storms.

    Climate variability and the rate of change need to be better quantified. Earth is warming because of a small imbalance between incoming solar radiation and outgoing radiation from Earth. Without the recommended measurements, we will not be able to quantify how this net energy imbalance is changing, or when or if the planet will stop warming.

    Climate models have improved steadily over the years, but are far from perfect and must be improved if we are to intelligently cope with climate change. Satellites provide unique observations of the Earth system and validate and improve these models.

    Sea level is rising and glaciers and ice fields around the world are melting, but we just don’t know how fast these are occurring. Without continuing quantitative observations, we can’t know how these rates change or the implications for coastal communities.

    The bottom line is: Earth science is based fundamentally on observations. While it is impossible to predict what scientific advances will not occur without the observations, or what surprises we will miss, we can be sure the rate of scientific progress will be greatly slowed – perhaps even undone to some degree.

    Climate variability and natural disasters are taking a significant toll on our economy, our environment, and our well being. And, that is why we must sustain the Earth observations that underpin national preparedness and response. Implementing these missions will not only greatly reduce the risk of natural disasters of all kinds to the people of our country and the world, they will also support more efficient management of natural resources including water, energy, fisheries, and ecosystems, and support the economy. Thus, the cost of the program is repaid many times over.


  9. What's the difference between prepare and adapt(as I advocate)?

  10. Adapt would be do nothing (like no warning for storms) then see who survive.
    Prepare is to observe (satelite image) then do what is possible to have the most survive.

    If people can take away some of the cause of the warming, they should.
    #10     Nov 14, 2009