High LDL Cholesterol Is Not A Health 'Problem' & Other Facts

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by ByLoSellHi, Jan 8, 2009.

  1. Veganism is a religion, there is no science involved. The main thing they miss is brain nutrition and you can prove that anytime you want, hire one, talk with one, etc.. I hate it when they break into nutrition discussions with their brainless garbage... they will tell you to get your Omega 3's from plants but guess what, they are the wrong form, your body can't use them.

    The main advantage I can see to veganism is that a person is never constipated, probably their digestive health is better than the meat eaters but otherwise, forget it... The best diets seem to be 80% plant and 20% meat/eggs/dairy. The best plants do not come from modern farming methods, not at all, the quality of the food in industrialized farming areas just sucks. People growing legacy plants and eating range fed cultured Goat milk and meat and range fed chicken eggs and meat are probably getting way more bang for their nutrition buck than anybody...

    Anthropoligists agree with me on some things, they have found that there is not a place on earth that supplies all the nutrition a human needs without eating meat... so all you vegan assholes can stay out my way if you don't mind. can't stand you on any level..
     
    #221     Jan 29, 2009
  2. Humans are omnivores by design. If you compare and contrast our GI tracts with herbivores, carnivores and omnivores in nature, we exactly match the attributes of omnivores.

    That's just one of the myriad of reasons why it's naive to think vegetarianism is an optimal strategy to obtain the best nourishment, and even the necessary, basic nutrition, that we our cells need to function properly.

    Murray - Venison is fantastic, especially from deer that are grass and apple fed; the backstrap and tenderloin are the most cherished parts. Have you ever had elk? Elk is probably my favorite 'game' meat. It is incredibly flavorful, and it's not greasy or strong. It has more fat than bison (which is also fantastic), but less saturated fat than beef.
     
    #222     Jan 29, 2009
  3. karol88

    karol88

    well said :)
     
    #223     Jan 29, 2009
  4. dude , clearly you'll eat anything.

    horse
    muskrat
    porcupine
    wilderbeast

    any others?

     
    #224     Jan 29, 2009
  5. I never tried any of the above, but wouldn't be opposed to it, except the muskrat.

    I also believe in the sanctity of treating animals respectfully, which is similar in approach to how Native Americans viewed the Bison that they depended on for survival.

    There is no need to prolong animal suffering, despite the necessity of their consumption for proper nutritional requirements.

    I find sport/trophy hunting abominable.

    I also believe that fruits, vegetables, grains and legumes should form the majority of one's diet, and that animal based proteins (containing essential amino and fatty acids, as well as iron, B complex vitamins) should only constitute maybe 1/4 to 1/5th of one's diet.

    This is generally consistent with the way Greeks on Crete eat, as well as other healthy societies, whether in Japan or Mediterranean areas.
     
    #225     Jan 29, 2009
  6. This statement is highly questionable. A true example of an omnivore is a bear.

    from: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2062/ana.HTML

    "In general, bears exhibit anatomical features consistent with a carnivorous diet. The jaw joint of bears is in the same plane as the molar teeth. The temporalis muscle is massive, and the angle of the mandible is small corresponding to the limited role the pterygoid and masseter muscles play in operating the jaw. The small intestine is short ( less than five times body length) like that of the pure carnivores, and the colon is simple, smooth and short. The most prominent adaptation to an herbivorous diet in bears (and other "anatomical" omnivores) is the modification of their dentition. Bears retain the peg-like incisors, large canines and shearing premolars of a carnivore; but the molars have become squared with rounded cusps for crushing and grinding. Bears have not, however, adopted the flattened, blunt nails seen in most herbivores and retain the elongated, pointed claws of a carnivore....

    ...In conclusion, we see that human beings have the gastrointestinal tract structure of a "committed" herbivore. Humankind does not show the mixed structural features one expects and finds in anatomical omnivores such as bears and raccoons. Thus, from comparing the gastrointestinal tract of humans to that of carnivores, herbivores and omnivores we must conclude that humankind's GI tract is designed for a purely plant-food diet.

    Summary

    Facial Muscles
    CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
    HERBIVORE: Well-developed
    OMNIVORE: Reduced
    HUMAN: Well-developed

    Jaw Type

    CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
    HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
    OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
    HUMAN: Expanded angle

    Jaw Joint Location

    CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
    HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
    OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
    HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

    Jaw Motion

    CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
    HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
    OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
    HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

    Major Jaw Muscles

    CARNIVORE: Temporalis
    HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
    OMNIVORE: Temporalis
    HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

    Mouth Opening vs. Head Size

    CARNIVORE: Large
    HERBIVORE: Small
    OMNIVORE: Large
    HUMAN: Small

    Teeth: Incisors

    CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
    HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
    OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
    HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

    Teeth: Canines

    CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
    HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
    OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
    HUMAN: Short and blunted

    Teeth: Molars

    CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
    HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
    OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
    HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

    Chewing

    CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
    HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
    OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
    HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

    Saliva

    CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
    HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
    OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
    HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

    Stomach Type

    CARNIVORE: Simple
    HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
    OMNIVORE: Simple
    HUMAN: Simple

    Stomach Acidity

    CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
    HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
    OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
    HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

    Stomach Capacity

    CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
    HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
    OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
    HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

    Length of Small Intestine

    CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
    HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
    OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
    HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

    Colon

    CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
    HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
    OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
    HUMAN: Long, sacculated

    Liver

    CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
    HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
    OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
    HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

    Kidney

    CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
    HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
    OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
    HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

    Nails

    CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
    HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
    OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
    HUMAN: Flattened nails"
     
    #226     Jan 29, 2009
  7. I can decimate the credibility of this entire post with one word:

    Gorillas.

    http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

    http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/gorilla.html


     
    #227     Jan 29, 2009
  8. I don't know that you have decimated anything. We all know humans and our ape relatives CAN eat meat.

    The question is what our bodies are most designed/optimized to eat. Since you are familiar with this data, you are likely aware that Jane Goodall as well as the Price article indicate that Chimp's (our closest relatives) meat eating is culturally driven (meat is the only food they share) and meat is a tiny portion of their diet.http://www.ecologos.org/chimphunt.htm

    BTW, gorillas are classified as herbivores. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla#Food_and_foraging
     
    #228     Jan 29, 2009
  9. Gorillas are definitely omnivores. I won't debate this fact with you, because facts are not ripe for debate. Believe what you will, but at least do some basic research from a credible source.

    Gorillas eat meat, not because they can, but because they have evolved to do so. If this wasn't the case, they would not.

    Almost all other primates are omnivorous, as well, including Chimpazees and Baboons - those closest to humans anatomically and genetically speaking.

    Also, pigs are omivores, and are also closely related to humans, from a genetic standpoint.

    Much medical research involves primates and swine as their digestive and other systems closely emulate that of the human species.
     
    #229     Jan 29, 2009
  10. trouser trout is his fav? :D
     
    #230     Jan 30, 2009