My Grandma lived to a ripe age of 86 and she drank, smoked, ate meat and gambled. So longevity must be in the genes? My entire family is what I would call casual vegetarians.......they eat some cheese, fish and chicken and a hamburger once a month out.....but at home they cook purely vegetarian fare. Bob and his family would have nothing to eat if there was no meat. He likes his lobster to swim in butter, and his steaks rare. None of them eat veggies except potatoes. I think we all eat WAY too MUCH fatty food. Travelling I see far more fat people than thin ones. (Me included)
Gambling has little to do with life expectancy unless you're doing it with the mafia and borrowing from loan sharks. The meat your grandmother ate probably had a lot less of the chemical crap in it that is in today's meats and cheeses. (I am HUGE!)
You see what bothers me about this health issue is that in order for me to lose weight, I have to go on a virtually carbohydrateless diet. That means I eat mostly meat, eggs and seafood. Soy has way too many carbos. And when I am on this diet, I feel so much better. No aches, no pains, no fat ass........ I have tried vegetarian diets to lose weights and they did not work as well. Too much carbohydrate. I can see the point of not eating meat. It does produce a lot of garbage and is less productive per acre. However, seeing the tomatoe fields and the pesticides and fertilizers they load on those hardly makes me think veganism is a healthy choice. Organic fertilizer is manure. So where does that come from? Potatoes? This is an argument that can't be won either way.
maybe because of all the steroids and hormones in the meat.. as far as losing weight eating strictly meat, etc.. my opinion is that longer term you are depriving your body of nutrition it needs from greens, fruits, and grains. i don't think crops need as much fertilizer replenishment when they are not drowned in pesticides and overworked. could part of the problem be that we need to grow too much food to feed the cows, pigs etc? wouldn't it be more efficient for us to eat the food directly, instead of indirectly through the meat we eat? just a thought..
I guess I should have clarified that..... I do eat a lot of green veggies. And mostly fresh caught fish and shrimp that either I or my neighbors catch. Though I will admit a fondness for canned tuna and lox with lemon and capers. And a nice Cuban style roast pork loaded with Mojo marinade......yummy. And having lived on a farm at one time, I will tell you there is no replacement for lots of manure. Too bad they can't bottle the shit that flies on this website.
http://www.kinston.com/Details.cfm?StoryID=11561 Walk into the animal shelter operated by the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and your greeter is likely to be Jack. He's sophistication with a touch of down-home comfort. He's generosity with underlying steel. He's as handsome as a model with just enough flaws to prevent others from being intimidated. Jack, a collie-chow mix, is the protector, the comforter, the welcomer at the shelter. Whether the visitor has two feet or four, Jack is glad to see them. His life hasn't always been as pleasant as it is today. The humans at the shelter believe Jack is repaying them for rescuing him. "I was picked up in the county by an animal control officer," Jack explains through his human interpreter, Holly Martin. "I'd been shot in my back leg, and I'd been hit by a vehicle." A group of people at Lenoir Community College heard about Jack's plight and raised several hundred dollars to pay for his surgery. A Kinston veterinarian repaired his body. Martin and shelter manager Camilla Johnson repaired his spirit. For weeks, the women took Jack to a pond where he swam, strengthening the muscles that would allow him eventually to walk and then to run. "My human family found out where I was, and they all came to see me," Jack recalls, through his interpreter. "The whole bunch of them came. When they left, they said they'd be back. I waited and waited. Finally, they did come back, but they just looked at me and laughed. Then they left again." Jack was heartbroken. Jack's interpreter called the owner and told him that he had left his canine friend there too long, thereby surrendering all rights to the dog. "When they walked away a second time, it really hurt Jack," Martin said. "He dropped his head. When a dog drops his head, it means he's lost his spirit. He knows it's over. They'll die. They've already died inside. They get despair, just like people." But this would not be the end for Jack. Some indomitable spark inside ignited the dog's determination. That was eight or nine years ago. Nobody is quite sure just how long ago it all happened. Jack recovered enough so that he became eligible for adoption. The human family returned him to the shelter when, time after time, Jack refused to stay confined inside a fence. Too many times, the family would look in the yard to find Jack and see that he'd dug another hole, scooted under the fence and was snuggled down outside the boundary. Even today, Jack won't be fenced in. He's a roamer, an adventurer. "Hide and seek is my favorite thing to do," he says. "Camilla and Holly will go looking for me in the woods, but I can blend in so well they can't find me. I have my special paths, and I check them every day. I like finding new scents." Jack's life is not without responsibility. His most important task is comforting new animals at the shelter. Give him a litter of kittens or puppies, and he's as close to heaven as he'll ever get. Give him an anxious or frightened newcomer, and Jack becomes a canine tranquilizer. Once upon a time, Jack had a friend: Andy D. Dog. Humans at the shelter believe Andy was stolen. Apparently, Jack believes the same thing. "There's a vehicle that comes by here twice a day," Jack says. "Every time I see it, I bark as long and as hard and as mean as I can. I know that's the vehicle that took Andy away and tried to take me. I'm never going to let that vehicle come back in this yard again." Today Jack has a new friend: Zena the Warrior Queen Dog. The two have become fast friends, but Jack has never forgotten Andy. Just as he's never forgotten his human friends at West Pharmaceutical Services, once next door to the SPCA. He was a constant guest at the employees' picnic table. As sure as clockwork, Jack appeared at the table for breakfast at 10 or 10:30 a.m. The employees were always ready to share their munchies. He still visits West, wondering and watching for his human friends to return.
lets say some bad ass aliens that are superior than the human beings in every way (physically and mentally) invade the Earth and get the butcher job started on ua, would we accept that ? Im not saying I dont eat meat (as a matter of fact, I eat tons of meat), it is just something I found on the internet once. Btw it has been scientifically proven that animals have more than just one level of pain.
There was a Twilight Zone episode where aliens came to bring humans back to their planet. They brought with them a book called "To Serve Man". The people got on the spaceship expecting to be treated as royalty on the other planet. Then the guy came running up as the doors were closing on the spaceship, who had been trying to decipher "To Serve Man", shouting "It's a cookbook!"
bs. the argument has been settled. the facts are in. get a clue. here's a start... http://my.webmd.com/content/pages/1/3075_903 :-/
I've seen this before. I was disappointed that they only had two cases here. I'd like to see a much larger sample with Petscans. I believe Ornish is the only researcher to demonstrate revearsal of heart disease. (through a vegetarian, low fat diet) A friend of mine told me that a lot of the subjects in the Ornish study were starting to die off (from heart disease, I think). I looked all over the internet but couldn't find anything. Anyone else hear about this?