Herbalife (HLF) Exposed!

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by lwlee, Dec 21, 2012.

  1. It would help if you knew what a synthetic entailed. He's short puts and long calls down to the single share. Apparently only mystical to some.
     
    #221     Feb 17, 2013
  2. we got that on the may options

    what is the purpose and function of the jan 2015 european options, apparently both long the calls and short the puts, just like you say, synthetic long

    I don't think they have any voting rights

    doesn't seem like his style

    why would somebody go so far out just to get cash settled?

    only thing I can think of is to avoid reporting
     
    #222     Feb 17, 2013
  3. Of course HLF will beat. Vol looks good:

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    Icahn puts in the floor and Ackman provides the cap.

    Mar 30/50 fly is 4.80. May 25/55 is 6.40.
     
    #223     Feb 17, 2013
  4. Atticus,

    You are well versed in healthy living. What's your opinion of herblife product offerings?

    Thanks, surf
     
    #224     Feb 17, 2013
  5. if you like it, buy it by the case

    and sell it by the bottle

    maybe that will pay for your habit

    and if you can sign up another addict

    make a commission

    I wish they would do that with gasoline

    or cigarettes
     
    #225     Feb 17, 2013
  6. Never used nor seen their products. I just searched "Herbalife protein" and found their "24" product. $33-$80 depending on where you look. 480g of whey conc. when you can buy Optimum Nutrition's Gold Standard whey (isolate) for $24.

    <15g of protein per $ for the HLF concentrate
    >29g of isolate per $ for the Optimum

    Even at $33 it's a terrible value and reflects all the overhead of the MLM/pryamid bullshit. Concentrate is typically 30-40% cheaper than isolate.
     
    #226     Feb 17, 2013
  7. that's why I quit buying tupperware

    I can now get a similar product for less on amazon

    but I must admit

    I don't get laid as much
     
    #227     Feb 17, 2013
  8. Thanks. I knew some guys who tried to sell the stuff back in the 90's --- all their "biz" flopped bad. One guy had a whole garage full of the stuff-- apparently you can buy into rank by purchasing product. Only stuff he sold , he purchased . If I remember he was gold diamond level car qualified. And was honored at the convention for being such a succesful salesman. He kept telling me he was soon gonna get a company car. Never happened and I think the product may still be sitting there. LOL!
     
    #228     Feb 17, 2013
  9. well, it takes a hell of a lot to be a salesman.

    most fail

    but those that succeed are members of the highest paid profession, based on national statistics

    higher paid than doctors or lawyers

    nothing happens until somebody can sell it

    if you got paid for great ideas, I'd be rich

    that's why I just stick to something easy that anybody can do, like trading
     
    #229     Feb 17, 2013
  10. The size is the same on each combo by maturity. They're OTC options and the issuer would not have the ability to grant voting rights. They would have to be issued by the company.

    I don't follow the reasoning. Why does the duration abrogate cash settlement?
     
    #230     Feb 17, 2013