Herbalife (HLF) Exposed!

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by lwlee, Dec 21, 2012.

  1. #211     Feb 17, 2013
  2. hftvol

    hftvol

    He is definitely not long stock (at least does the stock position not make up for the majority of his position), he is mostly long the upside calls of varying maturities. Nothing else, nothing synthetic, nothing exotic, nothing magic, nothing mystical.

    A much better question is why he chose the exposure through this particular product. My hunch is that long-term because it shows/masquerades his commitment. I believe he chose call options because it could inflict maximum damage once a squeeze is in play (classic example: Volkswagen-Porsche short squeeze drama a while ago). This guy made and still makes half his wealth through intimidation. Though I side with Ackman in regards to the true fundamentals of the company but I believe he put himself into a very vulnerable position.

     
    #212     Feb 17, 2013
  3. Humpy

    Humpy

    I know it's only a small point but the Bloomberg presenters call it

    'erbillife. Whatever happened to the H ? Isn't it in use any more ?

    Are we having 'ot days in summer now ?
     
    #213     Feb 17, 2013
  4. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Actually, that's how you pronounce it:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/herb

    Click on the audio...

    [urb or, esp. British, hurb]
     
    #214     Feb 17, 2013
  5. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    No no! Icahn said he's not out to get Ackman!
     
    #215     Feb 17, 2013
  6. Right now I could care less what Icahn says or does. Facts are herblife sells dubious products under false pretenses with a pyramid scheme structure. It's going down.
     
    #216     Feb 17, 2013
  7. Humpy

    Humpy

    Maybe US pronounciation west of the Pecos ?



    Word Origin & History

    herb

    late 13c., erbe, from O.Fr. erbe, from L. herba "grass, herb." Refashioned after Latin since 15c., but the h- was mute until 19c. Herbaceous is from 1640s.

    Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
    Cite This Source:)
     
    #217     Feb 17, 2013
  8. He is long the synthetic, he sold puts and bought calls, so he is long delta1 in Herbalife.
     
    #218     Feb 17, 2013
  9. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    The current history of HLF:

    [​IMG]

    "The open interest put/call ratio on HLF is now 1.19. This is a 4-month low after soaring as high as 2.75 in late November. I now think this is less an indicator of bullishness and more representative of a strong desire of HLF shorts to remain hedged. Short interest has only dropped about 10% this year since reaching a peak of 37.3M shares to start the year. As shorts weather headline risks, a likely HLF buyback, and now the prospect that HLF could be taken out at much higher prices by the likes of Icahn, they are also paying a quarterly dividend yield of 3.1% at current prices. Short interest is now 34.8% of the float. The apparent preference to use options to hedge means that the long-term options (LEAPS) show no indication of a bet that HLF will eventually go to zero: the open interest put/call ratio is 1.0 for January, 2014 expiration. Open interest is extremely small for January, 2015 expiration; these are too expensive for now to buy for a hedge.

    The next big event for HLF should be earnings this coming week. Earnings will be released on February 19th after hours and a conference call will follow the next morning. "
     
    #219     Feb 17, 2013
  10. sprstpd

    sprstpd