Hell is more real than you think! THE PROOF that God exists.

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by AppleMan, Oct 3, 2020.

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    #41     Jul 16, 2021

  2. Whether or not they did does not prove or disprove the Bible. God directly gave to Moses the details of creation in Genesis. They do not mention heliocentrism or geocentrism specifically. God did not impart to people, even his prophets, unlimited knowledge to know all things.

    You are correct that there are expressions used in the Bible that are descriptive of the appearance of cycles and orbits from an earth dweller’s perspective. However, that does not mean their descriptions are inaccurate from their frame of reference. It does not mean that the Bible is not trustworthy.

    Some Scripture are direct quotes from what God has spoken. Some Scripture is from inspired prophets, meaning God directed their thoughts but at the same time, those thoughts were expressed through the human element of the prophet. Then there are other Scriptures that simply record a variety of situations. Those recordings are inspired by God also, meaning that what He intended to have recorded for us, was recorded, but not everything that is in the Bible is endorsed by the Bible. That people err in their ways and their thoughts is pretty much a theme throughout the Bible.

    Correctly interpreting Scripture is very important and I think this article sums up the essentials pretty well. Here are a few excerpts, copied from throughout the article:

    …..the Bible makes no distinction between inspired and uninspired texts or topics nor does it place any restrictions on the kinds of subjects on which it speaks truthfully (see esp. Acts 24:14; Luke 24:25; Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 10:11). Thus I embrace and want to argue for what I’ll call the doctrine of “Complete Inerrancy.” Some prefer that we use the word “infallibility” which comes from the Latin infallibilitas, meaning the quality of neither deceiving nor being deceived. “Inerrancy” comes from the Latin inerrantia and simply means freedom from error. This means that Scripture does not affirm anything contrary to fact. Together both ideas express the idea that all Scripture comes to us as the very words of God and are thus reliable and true and free of error.

    Describing Things as They Appear
    It is no objection to inerrancy that sometimes the Bible describes things as they appear, i.e., phenomenologically, rather than as they really are.

    Figures of Speech and Symbolic Language
    It is no objection to inerrancy that God often accommodates himself to human language and experience when making known his will and ways in Scripture. Similarly, it is no objection to inerrancy that the Bible contains figures of speech. Some erroneously believe that inerrancy requires that everything in the Bible be taken literally, as if to suggest that this doctrine means that God literally has wings and that mountains literally leap for joy, etc. But truth is often expressed in non-literal or figurative and symbolic language.

    Reporting v. Approving
    It is no objection to inerrancy that the Bible records lies and unethical actions. We must distinguish between what the Bible merely reports and what it approves, between descriptive authority and normative authority.

    Partial Description is Not Necessarily a False Description
    It is no objection to inerrancy that the recorded account of certain events is not exhaustive in detail. That the description of an event is partial does not mean it is false.
    https://www.crosswalk.com/faith/bible-study/how-inerrant-is-the-bible.html


     
    #42     Jul 16, 2021
  3. stu

    stu

    ...to a believer the Bible says whatever they want the Bible to say
     
    #43     Jul 17, 2021
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  4. That's why it's so important to be consistent in applying logical rules of interpretation to every passage. There is a meaning for each passage, and it's important to search out the intended meaning and not make it say whatever you want it to say.

    "...you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. For no such prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 1 Peter 1:20, 21 BSB​

    https://billygraham.org/answer/i-think-you-can-make-the-bible-say-anything-you-want-it-to-say/
     
    #44     Jul 17, 2021
  5. stu

    stu

    Lol.

    Bible:

    "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:" — Exodus 20:8

    "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." — Romans 14:5


    studentofthemarkets:

    "be consistent in applying logical rules of interpretation to every passage."

    "you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation."



    Lo, and so it came to pass that religious contradiction would beget even more religious contradiction
    :p
     
    #45     Jul 17, 2021
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  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Possibilities: (because god and hell could exist separately without each other)

    - Hell with God
    - Hell without God
    - God without Hell
    - No God, no Hell

    I like the last version the best.
     
    #46     Jul 17, 2021
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  7. tomorton

    tomorton

    I agree. There's nothing before and nothing after - you're born, you work, you die. And if you're lucky its in that order.

    It doesn't make me bitter or afraid, I'm just angry that I won't be here forever after all.
     
    #47     Jul 17, 2021
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  8. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    I have one.
    I have oftentimes asked this question and I've never got an answer.

    One of the main tenets of Christianity is that Jesus suffered and died on the cross for our sins. Right?

    John 3:16 paraphrase: "For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son".

    Now, I'm not being blasphemous here, but I've met my share of devout Southern Baptists, and man they will let you know that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was quintessential act of God.... giving up his own son for our sins.
    I mean I'm not gonna say... bfd.... but bfd.

    What about all those mothers, fathers, wives, and children that gave up their beloved on places like Omaha Beach, Mount Surabachi, or any other of the 100's of battlefields of WW2 where so many young men willingly sacrificed THEIR lives without question, in order to stop an evilness that threatened multitudes and multitudes of innocents?

    Can you answer me that?

    What makes Jesus so special in your eyes?
    Why is his death heralded eternally while millions have also suffered, some many times more.

    They too died for all our salvation as far as I can see. But I'll wait for an answer. And keep it under one page, and write it without one quote from the bible.
    I'm all ears.
     
    #48     Jul 18, 2021
  9. Because all those soldiers that give their life for a nation they sacrifice their life and save you from evil in this physical world

    But Jesus give his life to save you in the spiritual world so your soul won’t be taken into “Hell”.
     
    #49     Jul 19, 2021
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  10. My soul is dainty fresh. He should have asked first, it would have saved him a lot of trouble.
     
    #50     Jul 19, 2021