Hedging with ETFs vs. future?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by ilganzo, Dec 13, 2005.

  1. newbunch

    newbunch

    I should also add that ES trades all night, but you can't trade SPY all night.
     
    #11     Dec 14, 2005
  2. ilganzo

    ilganzo

    What you're saying is that if amex is quoting the best, then you can't skip them and trade on the ECNs, or NY, at a worse price?

    What if the ECNs show the same quote than amex?
     
    #12     Dec 14, 2005
  3. ilganzo

    ilganzo

    Right, it depends how you define liquidity. The larger $ volume traded, the more interesting the future vs. SPY. Although until a certain number of contracts (say, more than 5) I don't see the liquidity benefit given the prints that go on the tape for SPY.

    Just to make sure, the data you posted is for the e-mini future, right?
     
    #13     Dec 14, 2005
  4. right.


    if ecn shows same quote you can hit ecn's. also i think it differs according to platform. my firm is reallly strict so if an ecn shows a worse price there's no way i can hit it. eventhough i want, because amex doesn't always give you the fill, especially when it's disadvantageous to amex.
     
    #14     Dec 14, 2005
  5. ilganzo

    ilganzo

    I don't understand the reason for this restriction. For listed stocks, if I want to trade through arca rather than the specialist, I just get a fill on arca, or another ECN, or nasdaq. If I don't get the best market price set by NY that's my problem. I didn't ask to go out at market.

    Why is it different for ETFs? Or is this something specific to SPY?
     
    #15     Dec 14, 2005
  6. it shouldn't be specific to spy/etf's, maybe it's my platform?
     
    #16     Dec 14, 2005
  7. Pabst

    Pabst

    Yea. That's the mini data.
     
    #17     Dec 14, 2005
  8. I would use the future over the ETF because by shorting an ETF, there is always a chance that the ETF will no be borrowable. Thus, you would have your short bought in.
     
    #18     Dec 14, 2005
  9. ilganzo

    ilganzo

    I haven't tried with ETFs but I can definitely bypass the specialist if I want to trade ECNs. We're talking about different exchanges though (amex vs. nyse) and different products (stocks vs. ETFs).
     
    #19     Dec 14, 2005
  10. ilganzo

    ilganzo

    My original post was about hedging with SPY or QQQQs. I'm assuming you're referring to other ETFs. When the spyder would not be borrowable?
     
    #20     Dec 14, 2005