Hedging the wheel

Discussion in 'Options' started by markthepadrone, Sep 16, 2022.

  1. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    real successes in this field trade micro contracts.

    Edit: I thought you were some punk. Your 17 years older than me!
     
    #101     Sep 17, 2022
  2. OK. You don't understand that hedging the underlying essentially removes it from the equation and you're net a short, naked call as a result; that's fine. Good luck in your trading.
     
    #102     Sep 17, 2022
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  3. destriero

    destriero


    He's had upstairs wins as an independent in the seven figures. I talk to him daily and have seen his book. We're not talking the same language here.

    I have a Telegram group with a bunch of pros in it. Not one of them would consider running a book of CC/SP. There is no fcking way that you're going to earn 20% compounded, let alone 100%.

    Everyone new to vol think they invented the wheel (pun unintended). You're at step 2 in the 12-step program. Step 4 or 5 is realizing that you haven't a mofo clue what you're talking about. You're going to look back at this thread and cringe.
     
    #103     Sep 17, 2022
  4. It seems tinkering with ineffective hedges make this into something other than a "wheel".
     
    #104     Sep 17, 2022
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  5. destriero

    destriero


    Say you're in the TQQQ/MNQ/short upside call position. What happens when mkt rallies, you cover your MNQ and the mkt falls? You're not going to cover your calls. You're going to gamma-trade the thing at monetized losses, indefinitely?

    Dude, you're too old to suck at this.
     
    #105     Sep 17, 2022
  6. destriero

    destriero

    Dude, short euro-style contracts or stop with the irrational fear of assignment. You don't understand the concepts. OMG, spot touched the strike! ASSIGNED! You should be so lucky. WTF do you think happens when you're assigned with $3 in prem on a strike touch of your short put?

    This thread. Pays.
     
    #106     Sep 17, 2022
  7. Just cause I’m older doesn’t mean I’m not a punk. :D

    And, I’m sorry that I may have made derogatory comments to you if you were really trying to help me. I just got a little over whelmed by the bombastic critiques.
     
    #107     Sep 17, 2022
  8. That may be entirely true. I just may have realized that sooner if some of you actually provided detailed reasons for what you were telling me instead of just saying I had no idea what I’m talking about.
     
    #108     Sep 17, 2022
  9. I don’t have an irrational fear of assignments.
    I get assigned every fourth or fifth week. Not a big deal.
     
    #109     Sep 17, 2022
  10. destriero

    destriero


    We've done that for 11 pages. You're fixated on this silly hedge. Hedge out your D1 risk and you're left with naked short calls. Not to belabor it, but you're trying to subjectively make this a lock.

    I can go long XYZ at 100 and short the 100-strike bear synthetic. The only uses of trading the conversion arb is delaying tax liability or as a rate arb. A gain on your silly hedge has nothing whatsoever to do with a covered call position.

    If the hedge is effective you've made a few bucks on your short calls. If not you lose more than if you had held the CC position. You're not gaming anything here. You're inadvertently arbing TQQQ/MNQ with a short call position.

    I cannot procrastinate any longer. Bye.
     
    #110     Sep 17, 2022