hedge fund payement

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by ssss, Apr 16, 2008.

  1. ssss



    Paulson's $3.7 Billion Top Hedge Fund Pay, Alpha Says (Update2)

    By Tom Cahill and Poppy Trowbridge

    April 16 (Bloomberg) -- John Paulson, founder of New York- based Paulson & Co., was paid an estimated $3.7 billion last year, the most in the hedge fund industry, according to Institutional Investor's Alpha Magazine.

    Paulson, 52, surpassed George Soros and 2006's top earner James Simons in a ranking of the 50 highest-paid hedge fund managers. Soros placed second, earning about $2.9 billion. Simons was third, making an estimated $2.8 billion last year.

    Paulson & Co., which oversees about $28 billion, made money betting on the collapse of subprime mortgages in 2007. The Paulson Credit Opportunities Fund soared almost sixfold, helped by bets on slumping housing and subprime mortgage prices, according to investor letters obtained by Bloomberg.

    ``Paulson made all that money because his returns were absolutely exceptional -- he called the market right,'' said John Godden, managing partner of IGS, a London-based hedge fund consultant. ``The lucky people in his funds also made fabulous returns.''

    Average compensation for the top 25 fund managers was $892 million in 2007, up 68 percent from the previous year. The minimum compensation included in the ranking was $210 million, Alpha said. That's more than triple the $67.9 million awarded Goldman Sachs Group Inc. Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein.

    Those salaries may be a high-water mark for the $1.9 trillion industry, which had its worst start in nearly two decades this year. Hedge funds lost 2.8 percent in the first three months of the year after gaining 10 percent in 2007, according to Chicago- based Hedge Fund Research Inc.

    `Peak Year'

    ``Right now it's looking like 2007 was that peak year, but it's dangerous to make a 12-month assumption on one quarter,'' said Godden. Many funds may benefit from volatility this year, he said.

    Hedge funds managers make most of their compensation by keeping a percentage of profits, typically 20 percent. They get no performance fees unless their returns are positive, though they do typically keep a 2 percent management fee.

    Five of the managers on Alpha's list of 25 best-paid managers in 2006 didn't make it in 2007 because their funds underperformed or lost money. Edward Lampert, the 45-year-old hedge fund manager who is now chairman of Sears Holdings Corp., didn't make the list because he lost money in 2007, according to Alpha.

    Soros, 77, returned 32 percent in 2007 for his $17 billion Quantum Endowment Fund. Quantum's returns this year have ranged from up 3 percent to down 3 percent through the end of March.

    Struggling This Year

    Some of last year's top paid managers are struggling this year as banks tighten lending standards and markets gyrate. At least a dozen funds, including the $4 billion Peloton Partners LLP, have liquidated or required cash infusions this year.

    Simons, 69, is down 12 percent since last May's peak at his $18 billion Renaissance Institutional Equities Fund, investors said last week.


    Top 10 moneymakers in the hedge-fund industry in 2007:
    1 $3.7 billion, [bn:pRSN=1] John Paulson [], Paulson & Co.
    2 $2.9 billion, [bn:pRSN=1] George Soros [], Soros Fund Management
    3 $2.8 billion, [bn:pRSN=1] James Simons [], Renaissance Technologies
    4 $1.7 billion, [bn:pRSN=1] Philip Falcone [], Harbinger Capital
    5 $1.5 billion, [bn:pRSN=1] Kenneth Griffin [], Citadel Investment
    6 $900 million, [bn:pRSN=1] Steven Cohen [], SAC Capital Advisors
    7 $750 million, [bn:pRSN=1] Timothy Barakett [], Atticus Capital
    8 $710 million, Stephen Mandel Jr., Lone Pine Capital
    9 $625 million, [bn:pRSN=1] John Griffin [], Blue Ridge Capital
    10 $520 million, O. [bn:pRSN=1] Andreas Halvorsen [], Viking Global
  2. bt116


    I enjoy reading these articles, but I think they give people the wrong idea. They put a number on there and say top paid fund managers, making it sound as if they are making that money from the "management" side of the business (the typically 2 and 20 side of the business). They're not. Look at anyone on that list - they're all major investors, if not the mojority investors in their funds. KG didn't make 1.5 billion managing other people's money last year, nor Paulson, nor Simmons. They made that loot because their money is in the funds. I'm not saying that these guys aren't making nice money from managing fees, but I think they make it sound like thats where these guys are making all that money.
  3. jhithers


    Are you sure? It clearly states "John Paulson, founder of New York- based Paulson & Co., was paid an estimated $3.7 billion last year, the most in the hedge fund industry, according to Institutional Investor's Alpha Magazine."...was PAID, and that word is used throughout the article. I don't think those figures are including individual investment gains from the funds.

    I could be wrong, but I don't think your assertion is correct.
  4. ssss


    This art of payement is only possible with foreign money .

    to perform on 30 bil $ funds 30% per years
    = 9bill $ and CEO payement would
    20-50% from profit

    some part of the funds (10% enough) can belong for CEO ,but that is only for motivation
    of investors.

    To compare- from 100 000 ET member
    retail are approx 95-99% . Only 2-5 operators
    from retail would take from exchange some 2-10 mln $ in 5-10 years

    Depend from start capital 10k -100 k $

    90% would loose ,5 % would going to zero
  5. bt116


    so you think that soros made 3 bil on 20% of returns on a 17 billion dollar fund that returned 30% last year?
  6. ssss


    Simons and SAC take 44%+5%

    How many take Soros knew not ,but 20% is lowest .suspect soros take more as 20%
    he have a "brand name"

    Exist fund manager ,which performed 4-5% on
    capital 30 bil $ .He's payement 300 mln $ per year.
    If not to be greedy ,it is the best way .

    Buy goverment debt (Australia & in mix )
  7. jhithers


    I don't know what he made...but the article does not imply that those figures include personal gains from investments in the fund...it clearly states the numbers are what they are paid.