Still out of the 190 or so recognized countries in the world, very few have multiple school massacres and of those, there are usually long gaps in between. We all know there is a very high probability that there will be another large scale massacre at a school before the end of this school year in America. Think about that.
I figured you would go after the number of shootings. To me any number of things like these are a tragedy. And your argument that this doesn't happen in other countries is simply false by the evidence I just showed, which clearly showed that in fact there were mass shootings in all countries you used as example for countries that alledgedly didn't have them. The number of them is irrelevant. These other countries have had strict gun laws forever and still they happened, including your examples of "countries that don't have mass shootings". That alone should make you realize that gun bans don' work. Germany is another one. Very strict gun laws, but shootings still happened, 7 of them. But if you still want to go after numbers, take one of our role models, for example: Canada. They have population of 36.000.000 and they have had 5 school shootings. The US has 325.000.000 and 40 shootings. This shows that both countries have a similar number of shootings adjusted by population. 36/5 =7,2 325/40 = 8,1 Which is compatible with the logic that the distribution of maniacs in developed countries is roughly the same. Which essentially, for thinking beings means: the problem is not lack of gun control. The problem are the maniacs, regardless of how strict the gun laws are BECAUSE MANIACS DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT LAWS. SO THEY WILL BREAK THE LAW BY BUYING GUNS ILLEGALY AND BY KILLING OTHER PEOPLE. And your great idea is: last pass a law that prohibits people who respect the law by not buying guns if they are banned(which are people that would obviously not make a school shooting in the first place).
And yet the probability of having a school shooting before the end of the year is higher in China which has strict gun control laws.
I respect mathematics and I would like to explore this because on the surface you do make a good point about shooting frequency adjusted for population. What’s the victim count look like adjusted for population and does the numbers match like for like, meaning in the US a mass shooting is defined as a certain number while in Canada a different number?
Once again, you are trying to process something with your binary mind. Always looking for the one way rather than a combination of factors that all might help. Doesn't matter what the issue is. Same approach. Over and over again. Don't go into any line of work that involves complexity any time soon.
You go on because you want to think that way. You said there were no shootings in those countries, I proved you wrong and you didn't address this fact. I showed it to you that the number of shootings adjusted by population makes the frequency equivalent in both countries, which makes sense because the number of guns don't matter, but the number of maniacs does, and the numbers show that the proportion of maniacs is the same. Again, not being able to answer that, you bring the numbers of victims(which is completely irrelevant given that regardless of how many died, it is a tragedy and this is something that has several variables that can influence it). But if you want to go down that road, take the example from the UK: 14 killed. And I didn't even bring up the Paris shootings which killed roughly 130 people in one single event. And this goes on and on because you and the people that think like that WANT to think like that, regardless of logic. And the final and most important thing is what everyone like you runs from when confronted by it, as I said in the end of my last post: "The problem are the maniacs, regardless of how strict the gun laws are BECAUSE MANIACS DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT LAWS. SO THEY WILL BREAK THE LAW BY BUYING GUNS ILLEGALY AND BY KILLING OTHER PEOPLE. And your great idea is: last pass a law that prohibits people who respect the law by not buying guns if they are banned(which are people that would obviously not make a school shooting in the first place)." This shows that people like you don't want to solve the problem, because when confronted with these facts and logic, you run away, ignore my arguments and try to deviate the focus to some other irrelevant thing(like the number of vistims). What you really want to do is just pass your agenda, nothing more.
Democrats Say America Is The Worst Western Country For Mass Shootings. That's A Lie. ByHANK BERRIEN February 21, 2018 238.9k views There’s a myth that has been propagated by Democrats after mass shootings: mass shootings are far more common in the United States than in other Western countries. To wit, Barack Obama, June 18, 2015, after the Charleston, North Carolina mass shooting: "Let's be clear: At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.” Former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, June 23, 2015: "The United States is the only advanced country where this kind of mass violence occurs," he said. Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, after the Florida Valentine’s Day shooting: "This happens nowhere else other than the United States of America." But as Investor’s Business Daily points out, “a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.” Here’s the list of the 18 countries with the top death rate per million people from mass public shootings from 2009 through 2015: Norway: 1.888 Serbia: 0.381 France: 0.347 Macedonia: 0.337 Albania: 0.206 Slovakia: 0.185 Switzerland: 0.142 Finland: 0.132 Belgium: 0.128 Czech Republic: 0.123 United States: 0.089 Austria: 0.068 The Netherlands: 0. 051 Canada: 0.032 England: 0.027 Germany: 0.023 Russia: 0.012 Italy: 0.009 Norway’s rate is undoubtedly highest because of the massacre in 2011 when a mass shooter killed 77 people. The study adds, “Some people have defended President Obama’s statement by pointing to the word ‘frequency.’ But, even if one puts it in terms of frequency, the president’s statement is still false, with the US ranking 12th compared to European countries. … There were 27% more casualties per capita from mass public shootings in EU than US from 2009-15.” Further, "There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed. Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom. But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher." The murders from mass shootings in America are horrifying and brutal. But in the wake of another attack, it should be incumbent on all people on all sides not to demagogue the issue. https://www.dailywire.com/news/27401/democrats-say-america-worst-western-country-mass-hank-berrien The study was conducted by a pro second amendment organization. Here's a link to the study: UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
I did not say there were no shootings, I said they took action. So data points only work if they are verified. You shouldn’t make a point using mathematics unless you’ve fully explored it to be true. Now if you want to be intellectually lazy that’s it but your point about frequency adjusted for population, while interesting, isn’t proven true. I may take a look at it when I get a chance though because there may be something there.