If he could see how stu is mopping up the floor with you, he might change his mind. Or maybe he got a life . . .
if you are off you meds db... you might want to read this again... as this is one more quote showing stu to have been lying.... "Such extreme fine-tuning supports the anthropic view of our Universe," he adds. its at the link... in this study...
Of course as a fundamentally dishonest person you would say people are lying. So not a Creator then. Now it's the anthropic theory as to why the Universe is how it is. Your general lack of intellect and understanding has ironically done away with the need for a Creator all by itself.
Yes, but in search for the true facts of all creation so it might not remain unknowable, it simply would not be reasonable or sensible to assume supernatural irrational beliefs should be given equal weight to reasoned scientific knowledge. They are incompatible.
years ago, you lied for years saying I was lying when I said there were scientists stating our universe appears finely tuned. I proved you to be the liar. lately many scientists and much of the literature have / has stated our universe is finely tuned or fine tuned for life. you lied and said I was lying about that. I have proven you on this thread again... showing you to be lying your ass off. now you are trying to act like i am saying the scientists say there is a creator... which is not what I am saying. you are misrepresenting my argument after I have proven you to be a lying troll over and over and over.
no one is saying that... no one need assume a creator...you need not get your atheistic panties in a bunch when a scientist is accurately quoted. many of the top scientists have said the constants or our universe are incredibly fine tuned. (proven here on this thread with many quotes) that situation cries out for an answer. (if you are a thinking person...you would say what could have caused this?) a. one of the reasonable guesses is that our universe was tuned for life by a Tuner. b. another guess is the multiverse c. another is that someday we find the reason the tunings had to be that way. that is not religion.... that is the state of our current science. if you could bring your atheist self to admit that... you would become more educated and cease being a troll on this subject.
You don't even know what you said or what you're saying. You're untruthful and dishonest, so you wouldn't. Watching you back-peddle into yet more deceit is the sheer manifestation of your inability to be truthful. All my argument has been is, scientists say the Universe appears fine tuned, not that it IS. I've never called you a liar for stating the universe appears fine-tuned, nor would I. So now you've even lied about that. But that's not what you've been desperately trying to lie about for years. You've been dishonestly stating directly and indirectly that science and scientists were saying definitively that the universe IS fine tuned. You do that only to deceitfully try to insert your Creator/Tuner/god into what you say science states or suggests, which of course it does no such thing. The only thing you have been able to prove is that you are fundamentally dishonest, an inveterate liar and don't have the integrity or intellect to even understand what you say.
Perfect example of how you troll that dishonesty of yours. They say it appears fine tuned. To say constants ARE fine tuned would require at least some scientific evidence. There is none. None at all. That's the whole thing. How, or even if, a particular value is or what it seems to be, is not scientifically established or accounted for yet. Guessing the Universe is tuned , is the massive guess before anything else. That is what's sheer speculation. It is perfectly possible the Universe could not produce any other values than it does; that constants are incapable of being any other way than they are. That is Inevitability. An option which removes any guess for what you are calling a Tuner, or whatever. Of course the situation cries out for an answer. A scientific answer. A supernatural answer in the form of a Tuner is in any event, no answer at all and can never prove anything. What is your Tuner if it isn't god? You can't even be honest about that! If it isn't something religious, then wtf are you going on about? You're feigning science only in a disreputable effort to insert and imply an unscientific religious theistic belief. That's all this is and has ever been about. Your unintellectual unscientific religious answer, from being the liar you are, can't admit to hiding behind the complete load of unscientific bollocks you constantly troll spun out of non-scientific assertions. "that is the state of our current science." Truth is you don't even want to know the current state of science as it smacks you in the face.