Hawking: God did not create Universe

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, Sep 2, 2010.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I bet if we performed IQ tests of regular ET P&R posters, we would find that nearly all the "right wingers" have higher IQs than the lefty posters.
     
    #361     Jan 4, 2015

  2. Stupid is one thing. Drunk is another. You manage to combine the two very well. Congrats.
     
    #362     Jan 4, 2015

  3. We don't need the IQ test. It's quite obvious from reading the posts.
     
    #363     Jan 4, 2015
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes it is. You obviously are a retarded parrot.
     
    #364     Jan 4, 2015
  5. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Which is exactly what an evolved person of superior intelligence would say.
     
    #365     Jan 4, 2015
  6. stu

    stu

    Seriously?
    You sound like one of those right wing dimwits trying to wear ignorance as a badge of honor. Or is it that you simply don't know basic shit?

    I don't have to believe a scientific theory always contains facts. It's simple. If they don't then by definition, they can't even begin to be a scientific theory in the first place. duh.

    And if science does not know anything or everything about singularities or whatever, that in itself does not make something else, like god for instance, a possibility. Gaps in knowledge do not make god any more of a possibility that it already isn't.

    Got it? No? then like I said, get back when you have achieved some grip on basic logic. Or even commonsense.
     
    #366     Jan 4, 2015
  7. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    So blind faith. You are a mindless sheep. Got it.
     
    #367     Jan 4, 2015
  8. jem

    jem

    wow... you are so ignorant on this subject you should be embarassed to have just critiqued scientific american.


    . as far as un natural vs natural in physics... I now realize you are so ignorant on this matter... I have been arguing with a person who has zero understand of the words I have been quoting. You are completely ignorant of this area of science... yet you keep arguing against the scientists.

    really... if you were in physics class your professor would have looked at you like you were a dumb ass and sent you back to high school physics.

    here is a primer...



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalness_(physics)

    In physics, naturalness is the property that the free parameters or physical constants appearing in a physical theory should take relative values "of order 1". That is, a natural theory would have parameters with values like 2.34 rather than 234000 or 0.000234. This is in contrast to current theory like the standard model, where there are a number of parameters that vary by many orders of magnitude, and require extensive "fine-tuning" of those values in order for the theory to predict a universe like the one we live in.

    The requirement that satisfactory theories should be "natural" in this sense is a current of thought initiated around the 1960s in particle physics. It is an aesthetic criterion, not a physical one, that arises from the seeming non-naturalness of the standard model and the broader topics of the hierarchy problem, fine-tuning, and the anthropic principle.

    It is not always compatible with Occam's razor, since many instances of "natural" theories have more parameters than "fine-tuned" theories such as the Standard Model.

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    here is stu's... incredibly ignorant quote.



    And what exactly is an "unnatural" theory? Or don't you even ask yourself that glaringly obvious question.

    There cannot actually be anything unnatural (contrary to nature or not in accordance with or determined by nature) in physics. Science is the study of the physical and natural world, not some imaginary ethereal and unnatural one.

    If there were anything unnatural then it wouldn't be scientific. End of story.

    There is nothing remotely being made unnatural about the Standard Model from it having a large number of different particles and forces, many of which seem surplus to requirement, or because it is also very precariously balanced.
    Who the hell would say cosmological theory is regarded as unnatural because it has a large number of stars and planets which seem surplus to requirement!

    You don't even need to be a scientist to see how those are not reasons to call something unnatural or even "unnatural".

    Badly used words do tend to end up in quote marks a lot. Pity "authors" don't take the "time" to "use" the "right" word that might better "convey" what they mean to "say".[/quote]
     
    #368     Jan 4, 2015
  9. jem

    jem

    db... once you take out all the typical anti christian crap that your author threw in... and you get to the point..
    good article.

    I for one have been under the impression many top researchers realized there must have been a drive for life put into the building blocks... because it is very unlikely non life organized into life in the short time they had on earth.

    England's idea... seem to be a very good one.
    I would not be surprised if he is on to something.

    But, I would also note... that I do not think it really has an impact on whether there is a Creator because a creator could have put that drive for life in the building blocks.
     
    #369     Jan 4, 2015
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    futurecurrents at home

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    #370     Jan 4, 2015