Hawking: God did not create Universe

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, Sep 2, 2010.

  1. at 6:35, watch his eyes, he reeling never recover

    mike tyson say, 'everyone has "plan" till punched in face
     
    #271     Dec 23, 2014
  2. stu

    stu

    ...in the way theists say " That's god".
     
    #272     Dec 24, 2014
  3. jem

    jem

    yes... in a way.

    if you don't count the fact that many scientists in past centuries had been educated and / or funded by the church and that many of the top discoveries have been found by religious people.

     
    #273     Dec 24, 2014
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    What? Science ask how and why. Then they observe to find answers.
     
    #274     Dec 24, 2014
  5. And then they come up with hypothetical BS.
     
    #275     Dec 25, 2014
  6. stu

    stu

    That computer of yours is hypothetical bullshit is it, which scientific engineers will have designed hypothetically, connecting it hypothetically to hypothetical servers and hypothetical science based electronic systems to send your dumb bullshit comment at light speed across the world:rolleyes:
     
    #276     Dec 25, 2014
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  7. stu

    stu

    And many of those scientists in the past centuries were persecuted by the church when their discoveries didn't agree with religious dogma.

    Nevertheless, when they were doing science they were doing science. When they were doing god they were'nt doing science. They were doing superstition.
     
    #277     Dec 25, 2014
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  8. It's like he's proud of being stupid and thinks knowledge is bullshit. Unbelievable. Guaranteed he's a "Christian".
     
    #278     Dec 25, 2014
  9. jem

    jem

    1. its not even worth attempting to explain to you why a few bad examples does not equal full understanding.

    2. many of the scientists believe they were doing Gods work discovering how the universe works.

    some believed that science would reveal the existence of a Creator.

    And, now we know... that the incredible fine tunings of our universe does... possibly.


    http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/cosmoconstant.html



    Introduction
    Fine Tuning?
    Skeptics like to say that fine tuning cannot be proven by science, since we have only one universe to study. However, the discovery and quantification of dark energy has puzzled a number of scientists, who realize that its extremely small value requires that the initial conditions of the universe must have been extremely fine tuned in order that even matter would exist in our universe. By chance, our universe would have been expected to consist of merely some thermal radiation.

    Rich Deem

    The recent Nature study popularized in the press regarding the nature of the universe has confirmed some of the original studies involving supernovae type 1.1 The supernovae results suggested that there was a "springiness" to space, an energy density often referred to as "dark energy" or the "cosmological constant," that causes the universe to expand at a faster rate the more it expands. Often described as an "anti-gravity" force, it doesn't really oppose matter, but only affects matter as it is associated with the fabric of space.

    Boomerang
    The balloon-borne microwave telescope (called "Boomerang") examined the cosmic background radiation left over from the Big Bang.2 The angular power spectrum showed a peak value at exactly the value predicted by the inflationary hot Big Bang model dominated by cold dark matter. This model predicts a smaller second peak, which seems to be there, but cannot be fully resolved with the initial measurements. The presence of the second peak would all but seal the reliability of the Big Bang model as the mechanism by which the universe came into existence.

    How does this study impact the Christian faith? The Bible says that the universe was created in finite time from that which is not visible.3 In addition, the Bible describes an expanding universe model.4The Bible describes the Creator being personally involved in the design of the universe, so that we would expect to see this kind of design in His creation.5

    How much fine tuning?
    How does this discovery impact atheists? Those who favor naturalism had long sought to find the simplest explanation for the universe, hoping to avoid any evidence for design. A Big Bang model in which there was just enough matter to equal the critical density to account for a flat universe would have provided that. However, for many years, it has been evident that there is less than half of the amount of matter in the universe to account for a flat universe. A cosmological constant would provide an energy density to make up for the missing matter density, but would require an extreme amount of fine tuning. The supernovae studies demonstrated that there was an energy density to the universe (but did not define the size of this energy density), and the recent Boomerang study demonstrated that this energy density is exactly what one would expect to get a flat universe. How finely tuned must this energy density be to get a flat universe? One part in 10120,6 which is:

    1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000

    Atheists' reactions
    What do atheists think about this level of design? Here is a quote from a recent article:

    "This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'."1

    Atheists see a conflict because this level of design is something that one would not expect by chance from a universe that began through a purely naturalistic mechanism. "Common wisdom" is common only to those who mustexclude a supernatural explanation for the creation of the universe.

    Yet another study confirms the polarization of the cosmic microwave background radiation, left over from the Big Bang. The standard inflationary model predicted that the background radiation should be polarized when it interacted with matter, nearly 14 billion years ago. John Carlstrom, the S. Chandrasekhar Distinguished Service Professor in Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago, announced the discovery and made the following admission:

    "Polarization is predicted. It's been detected and it's in line with theoretical predictions. We're stuck with this preposterous universe."7
    ...


     
    #279     Dec 26, 2014

  10. There is no "design" nor is there "fine tuning". You are just lying. Again.
     
    #280     Dec 26, 2014