Have you had benefits from psychological work in your trading?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Laissez Faire, Oct 21, 2022.

  1. Of course - plenty of money on it's own is NOT going to help. Just like psychological work can NOT replace the lack of trading skills/experience.

    One of the richest men in Norway at the time who had retired after selling a tech company got bored in retirement and started day trading stocks being one the biggest single players in the stock markets at the time. Ended up losing his entire fortune and even ended up in debt.

    Personally, I'm not very well funded, but my trading account is almost doubled after funding it and there's no doubt a big difference between trading from that place with a cushion of profits compared to being in deeper drawdown and a few bad trades from a margin call (been in that place, too).
     
    #31     Oct 22, 2022
  2. Exactly. You fully get it.

    Most people just want to get started trading and making $$$ quickly. Doesn't work like that.

    Trading skills first. Might take a few years. Then money making being well funded. If no edge, you can choose to not trade and choose to not lose. Extremely easy. Deciding to trade in the market is a personal choice. Losing money is a personal choice. Most would be better off choosing not to trade.

    But we may be drifting off-topic...
     
    #32     Oct 22, 2022
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  3. Well, maybe your prior belief was true, but simply your bucket was full of holes...? :)

    Your only requirement is to understand how price moves and then you buy low and sell high or vice versa. Exactly what is preventing you from doing that? Where is the competition?

    While futures trading is a zero sum game, I don't think it's even true what you're saying about the market being made up of others that have the singular goal of taking your money. Not everyone is a day trader. A lot of the volume in for example index futures is related to hedging, arbitrage, option plays and long term traders getting in and out of the market. Each with very very different motivation and goals and where they certainly don't care much about your few lots moving in and out of the market.
     
    #33     Oct 22, 2022
  4. Good Morning Millionaire,

    Awesome question you asked:

    It is not about having a great life, it is about having a consistent great life forever. The only way to accomplish that as man, is consistent more money happily. A back up plan to the back up the plan.

    For these reasons:

    1. The same reason why John D Rockafella said "Just a little bit more" when asked why you keep buying companies and you already the richest man in the world.

    2. The same reason Tom Brady has not retired yet.

    3. More Money. I live in America, having more money increase quality of life and solves every problem I can think of.

    4. Winning overall and competitive. Winning the long game.

    5. Get richer faster with as less stress as possible.
     
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    #34     Oct 22, 2022
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  5. Hello Laissez Faire,

    No sir, we are not drifting off topic.

    The money is motive, and the money can be issue.

    If you had triple your needed trading capital to trade successfully in your personal saving account, then you would not have any mental trading issues. ZIP, ZERO, NONE. Period.

    If you are taking your last money you have in your savings account and using that to start trading, you will lose the trading game and will not be successful trading. And you will lose your happiness. Because now you have $0.00 in your personal account and can not enjoy life.

    The goal is to do both. Enjoy life peacefully, AND enjoy make alot of money trading as well peacefully.

    We are humans, not robots. We feel. We have families to take care of bills. We can not have all that personal stuff on our mind, AND try to conquer the markets daily.

    Build trading capital and personal savings account cushion first, then trade. win-win situation.
     
    #35     Oct 22, 2022
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  6. Hello Laissez Faire,

    Great story. I can agree with it too.

    Just because you have money, does not mean you can win.

    And for this trader, once he loss $50,000 trading, all his mental was stuck on was "I gotta get this $50,000 back, I can do it, this is easy".

    Then loss another $50k, then $200k. And it all goes down from there.
     
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    #36     Oct 22, 2022
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  7. Sprout

    Sprout

    It’s on-going work that increases and compounds self-awareness. Understanding one’s own unique personality and how one responds to various emotional states is supportive but needs data from experience.

    Much of the trading aphorism’s need to be experienced prior to being integrated.

    Focus more on a process vs attaining a goal.

    Engaging in a Process provides a foundation for discipline.

    Sustained discipline separates the wheat from the chaff.

    The key being able to have emotions vs emotions “having” you.
     
    #37     Oct 22, 2022
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  8. Hello deaddog,

    Thanks for explaining to me.

    Are you saying if I have an investment that need $50,000, I can borrow that $50,000 from the bank at about 7% interest, 10 year loan?

    Then invest the $50k and over the 10 year period, I can deduct the interest on my taxes?

    Then use the profits from the investment to purchase car cash??

    Is that correct?
     
    #38     Oct 23, 2022
  9. deaddog

    deaddog

    I suppose you could do it that way. Your making assumptions that you will have a profit. Are you that good an investor.

    I'm just saying you shouldn't borrow to buy depreciating assets if you can help it. Sell your investments. Buy your car then borrow to invest. Take advantage of the tax write offs.
     
    #39     Oct 23, 2022
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  10. Hello deaddog,

    Yes, I understand what you are saying.

    Both the investments will have to return a profit for this situation to work out, agree?
     
    #40     Oct 23, 2022