Have the skills, but lost and all alone.

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by JMowery1987, Aug 19, 2005.

  1. I liked your post syswizard.

    Truth to tell the Holy Grail is a problem solving exercise that only the few, the one or two, solve and win. Reason: it does not require maths or programming. Its a research and testing approach wherein you ask the right questions to establish an accurate predicative numerical model. It is complex but not that complex.

    Big error: starting with answers. You see it all the time here. Only one or two ever find the series of questions they need to answer.
     
    #51     Aug 30, 2005
  2. Amen Brother. I've been at it 3 years and counting...still awaiting that glorious piece of code that will immortalize me !
    It's a humbling experience to try to "beat" the market CONSISTENTLY with "dumb" software.
    I've got a client list of several who have been "leveled" over the past 3 years by using system approaches that were successful in 1999->2001.
     
    #52     Aug 30, 2005
  3. Yep, by the time the software becomes popular and gets to the masses it's already out-of-date.
     
    #53     Aug 30, 2005
  4. jason_l

    jason_l

    Don't get bogged down on any fancy GUI stuff if you're wanting to automate a mechanical strategy. As many will point out, finding and validating your edge will take every ounce of effort you have, you definately don't want to waste time on coding frills. The code could care less if there's any GUI window to it or not, so start with the minimum. once you have something profitable going, feel free to purty it up all you want :).

    I would say if you go down this route, invest the time to build a good flexible framework for backtesting. I can code/backtest/monte carlo test a complete idea in a matter of minutes. Somthing as simple as a crossover system would take probably 30 seconds total for me to code and test. It just dumps the test results into files, which I then can open in excel if I desire to see things like charts, equity curves, etc.. Another 30 seconds, and I could have it trading live if I wanted.
     
    #54     Sep 15, 2005
  5. maxpi

    maxpi

    Exactly. Were I a real programmer I would do like that. As it is I can code up a system and test it in Tradestation's RadarScreen in minutes. It is flexible enough, I could test 20 systems on 1000 symbols if I wanted to. I copy the results to Excel for further analysis if it is necessary. If I want more speed I'm told I could link to Matlab for computations but for now it's fine.
     
    #55     Sep 18, 2005
  6. Cheese

    Cheese

    Short answer: you're never going to make a fortune by programming to trade markets.
    :)
     
    #56     Sep 18, 2005
  7. Can you expand on that somewhat? Does that mean:
    a) programming won't make you money
    b) trading won't make you money
    c) automating your successful trading formula won't make you money
    d) automating your untested trading formula won't make you money
    e) all of the above
    f) none of of the above
    g) some of the above, and if so, which?
     
    #57     Sep 18, 2005
  8. Cheese

    Cheese

    Fair observation.

    Its g: a,c & d.
    :)
     
    #58     Sep 18, 2005
  9. nitro

    nitro

    My ex-wife never made any "recepie" the same way twice. What is funny is, the first time she tried it, it was great (probably because she was reading from a book and her "creativity" was reigned in to making it more salty or more saucy etc.) Then it usually deteriorated with each "creative" iteration :(

    nitro
     
    #59     Sep 18, 2005
  10. nitro

    nitro

    To the original poster:

    It is possible, but you are embarking on the journey of a lifetime and I guarantee you you are looking for a needle in a mountaneous haystack. If you concentrate on Arb style systems you may get there faster. If you just go in for a general system that trades say SIF consistantly, be prepared for years of study and trial and error.

    Throw out TS/WL and all the canned trading software and start thinking in C++/C#. I just saved you five years. Make checks payable to: :D

    Finally, I will tell you this, when you go live because you think you got it, something funny happens that will send you back to the beginning. Then you will begin to know the "place" for the first time...

    nitro
     
    #60     Sep 18, 2005