hate crime bill

Discussion in 'Politics' started by hellrider, May 7, 2007.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Another act of Forum Necromancy.
     
    #11     Apr 8, 2013
  2. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    No, but your ridiculous claim proves once and for all you're a fucking idiot.


    The whole notion of "hate" crime is absurd. How does someone assault or murder someone they don't also ALREADY hate?
     
    #12     Apr 8, 2013
  3. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Ditto.
     
    #13     Apr 8, 2013
  4. TGregg

    TGregg

    Loser was banned years ago, BTW.
     
    #14     Apr 8, 2013
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    What the hell did you let his sorry ass back on for? :)
     
    #15     Apr 8, 2013
  6. jem

    jem

    most "hate" crime laws are a complete violation of the ideals this country was founded on.

    you are entitled to believe what you wish to believe and say what you wish to say.

    If you start punishing people for what they are thinking... you are putting all the power in the world in the hands of people who aspired to govt office.

    Exactly the people you would not want making such decisions.

    regarding hate white on asian hate crimes.

    Citing the one example maybe ever of marky marky example is pretty funny.
    (not for the victim... but as an exemplar)

    We have a real white vs asian hate crime problem in this country.
    I see gangs of white familys hunting down sushi chefs on a daily basis. And even worse all those red necks in the navy marrying those asian gals and now they have created all these pretty half asian half white women.

    Just a horrible hate crime situation.
     
    #16     Apr 8, 2013
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Those SOB's, I like sushi.
     
    #17     Apr 8, 2013
  8. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Hard to see how you passed the bar exam if you don't realize that nobody is talking about "thought crime". Hate crime legislation is aimed at actions, not thoughts.
    No surprise that you would consider Marky Mark's evil acts to be "the one example maybe ever" of White on Asian crime. How odd that the perpetrator wound up becoming a celebrity, otherwise we would have never heard of "the one example maybe ever."

    Once again, for a lawyer, your ignorance is astonishing. Or maybe just disgusting.
     
    #18     Apr 8, 2013
  9. jem

    jem

    a. Does anyone here think white on asian hate crime is an issue besides you? in the entire united states? Could there be few loony people among any race... sure... but white on asian hate crime to protect asians from what ?

    you were caught being a stupid leftist parrot ... admit you were not thinking and move on. Don't double down on your stupidity.



    b. and it is a thought crime most of the time. If you had the brain power to think about it the subject... you would not make such a stupid proclamation.

    shooting a protected guy is crime... shooting him while thinking or speaking a slur is a hate crime. The the thought of hat is being punished... the action was already a crime.




     
    #19     Apr 8, 2013
  10. jem

    jem

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul385.html


    Unconstitutional Legislation Threatens Freedoms

    by Ron Paul


    Last week, the House of Representatives acted with disdain for the Constitution and individual liberty by passing HR 1592, a bill creating new federal programs to combat so-called “hate crimes.” The legislation defines a hate crime as an act of violence committed against an individual because of the victim's race, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. Federal hate crime laws violate the Tenth Amendment's limitations on federal power. Hate crime laws may also violate the First Amendment guaranteed freedom of speech and religion by criminalizing speech federal bureaucrats define as “hateful.”

    There is no evidence that local governments are failing to apprehend and prosecute criminals motivated by prejudice, in comparison to the apprehension and conviction rates of other crimes. Therefore, new hate crime laws will not significantly reduce crime. Instead of increasing the effectiveness of law enforcement, hate crime laws undermine equal justice under the law by requiring law enforcement and judicial system officers to give priority to investigating and prosecuting hate crimes. Of course, all decent people should condemn criminal acts motivated by prejudice. But why should an assault victim be treated by the legal system as a second-class citizen because his assailant was motivated by greed instead of hate?

    HR 1592, like all hate crime laws, imposes a longer sentence on a criminal motivated by hate than on someone who commits the same crime with a different motivation. Increasing sentences because of motivation goes beyond criminalizing acts; it makes it a crime to think certain thoughts. Criminalizing even the vilest hateful thoughts — as opposed to willful criminal acts — is inconsistent with a free society.

    HR 1592 could lead to federal censorship of religious or political speech on the grounds that the speech incites hate. Hate crime laws have been used to silence free speech and even the free exercise of religion. For example, a Pennsylvania hate crime law has been used to prosecute peaceful religious demonstrators on the grounds that their public Bible readings could incite violence. One of HR 1592's supporters admitted that this legislation could allow the government to silence a preacher if one of the preacher's parishioners commits a hate crime. More evidence that hate crime laws lead to censorship came recently when one member of Congress suggested that the Federal Communications Commission ban hate speech from the airwaves.

    Hate crime laws not only violate the First Amendment, they also violate the Tenth Amendment. Under the United States Constitution, there are only three federal crimes: piracy, treason, and counterfeiting. All other criminal matters are left to the individual states. Any federal legislation dealing with criminal matters not related to these three issues usurps state authority over criminal law and takes a step toward turning the states into mere administrative units of the federal government.

    Because federal hate crime laws criminalize thoughts, they are incompatible with a free society. Fortunately, President Bush has pledged to veto HR 1592. Of course, I would vote to uphold the president's veto.
     
    #20     Apr 8, 2013