Has western style socialism broken people's spirits?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by morganist, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. burn8

    burn8

    Although immigration dilutes the founders vision of freedom, I see a whole lot of 1st world people who want something for nothing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc&feature=related).

    I wish there were more immigrants who understood what socialism/communism brings (http://www.mrctv.org/videos/occupie...-converting-him-capitalism-pro-israel-pro-usa).

    -burn8
     
    #11     Jul 30, 2012
  2. piezoe

    piezoe

    If in the context of this thread you mean to refer to the U.S.A. as socialist, then you are nuts. The U.S. is by far the most capitalist large country the world has ever known, any elements of socialism in the U.S. are extremely minor. If you described the government in the U.S. as fascist then that would be a little closer to the truth, but still not capture the real essence of the USA. Though no one term is a perfect description, possibly to say it is a nation controlled by those with the most money, with elements of fascism and what has become known as corporatism, is closest to the truth.

    Incidentally, it is not at all unusual for a country's government to be predominantly controlled by those with the most money, in fact this is the rule rather than exception.
     
    #12     Jul 30, 2012
  3. zdreg

    zdreg

    of course. socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor,
     
    #13     Jul 30, 2012
  4. it's not a matter of socialism vs capitalism, take social security, it's the most socialist program we have, yet, most people like it, what bothers me is, we are the United States of America, and there is absolutely no reason that we can't run a social security system that is so amazing that no matter how bad you screw up for 65 years you can live the rest of your life in relative comfort

    for cying out loud, take a little pride in your socialism

    at least show Russia, whatever they can do we can do better

    and then do the same thing with capitalism, hong kong really kicked our butt

    the extreme left votes for socialism, and the right votes for capitalism, and like the man said, anybody who votes democrat or republican is just another vote for fascism, and as long as you vote for it, that's what you will get
     
    #14     Jul 30, 2012
  5. I don't know what that means. US-style socialism is a LOT different than, say, Canadian-style socialism or Russian-style socialism or Singaporean-style socialism.

    Could you rephrase the question?
     
    #15     Jul 30, 2012
  6. The big problem is that no one pays attention to the opportunity cost of something like Social Security. Almost any investment program followed for the 50-odd years someone is in the workforce until they begin to collect SS would result in a higher post-retirement income. Instead, it's portrayed as if SS is some great kind of payoff for sending your payroll taxes to the Feds for all those years, when in reality, if you weren't in the first or second generation to collect SS, your returns are pretty meager.

    Same with Medicare. If you put that money taken out of your paycheck into a Health Savings Account with some kind of investment options, you could have more money to pay for your own healthcare in old age than the Medicare program will allocate to you.

    People are so stupid they buy the politicians' claims that these programs are great at face value.
     
    #16     Jul 30, 2012
  7. morganist

    morganist Guest

    Has high taxes and a huge welfare state create a demotivating factor for people who work in the free market.
     
    #17     Jul 30, 2012
  8. that's what I mean man, just about any poster on ET could manage the system better than how it is being done now, if it was good, people would either be smiling or worried every morning when they checked the SS performance results

    medicare? I don't think there is any hope for that, the government should totally get out of the healthcare business, medicaid is fine, I can cover you if you are sick and have no money

    It aint just western socialism that is so demoralizing, it has now just become an accepted fact that whoever is the President is responsible for employment

    now that is one sick society
     
    #18     Jul 30, 2012
  9. morganist

    morganist Guest

    Yes exactly the high taxes and easy life on welfare has demotivated people work in the free market. The difficulties created by governments and the reward for free market work does not weigh up to subsidies.
     
    #19     Jul 30, 2012
  10. it looks like I am going to lose the 60/40 split, but that is not enough to get me to switch from forex back to futures
     
    #20     Jul 30, 2012