has Kim left the building?

Discussion in 'Options' started by traderlux, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. @JackRab you are correct that P/L at expiration is similar. But we don't hold till expiration. The dynamics of the trade, adjustments and IV impact make our setup with ITM calls more suitable.
     
    #11     Feb 12, 2018
  2. Kim, after that big drop in SVXY do you still plan to use it for volatility trades?
     
    #12     Feb 12, 2018
  3. We switched to VXX.
     
    #13     Feb 12, 2018
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  4. gkishot

    gkishot

    Any idea why does XIV underperform so greatly SVXY today? They both track the same index. Is CS chipping away a few bucks from the fund to cover the future lawsuit expenses?
     
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    #14     Feb 12, 2018
  5. Yes, but XIV is going to be terminated on Feb.20.
     
    #15     Feb 12, 2018
  6. JackRab

    JackRab

    Dynamics, delta, vega, gamma... they are all the same... Call=Put when hedged with delta 100. The only time it's not the same is when there is a dividend involved.

    If you put both structures in an options analytics thingy you will easily see it's the same.

    But, take the tip or not ;)
     
    #16     Feb 12, 2018
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  7. They are the same at expiration. But we don't hold till expiration. Also, we might use different expirations for the puts and the calls. IV also plays a role during the life of the trade.
     
    #17     Feb 13, 2018
  8. Dude, they're the same...and not just at expiration. "A call is a put, a put is a call" is one of the first things taught to interns on a derivs desk. You need to read up on put/call parity. Stating multiple times that IV sensitivity is different for the same strike put and call is a bad look for you.
     
    #18     Feb 13, 2018
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  9. Thank you for your concern.

    As I mentioned, one of the arguments is using different expirations. We like to have the deep ITM call expire later than the long put and short call so we can trade multiple iterations against it.
     
    #19     Feb 13, 2018
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  10. Where is the edge when one hedges call/put with delta 100?
     
    #20     Feb 13, 2018