Has hedge funds time passed?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Free Thinker, Nov 17, 2005.

  1. why would anybody pay high fees for this kind of performance?

    Fund Performance for October 2005
    With over 2800 alternative investments reporting results for the month of October 2005, the average hedge fund has declined -1.293% for the month. This dip in the string of advances for the past five months brings average performance for the full year 2005 to date down to +4.624%.
    Only nine of the four dozen investment strategies tracked by the CogentHedge application posted gains for the month. The top five strategies for the month are as follows:

    Investment Strategy October Gain YTD 2005 Std Dev # Funds
    All Funds -1.293% 4.624% 4.207% 2852
    All Multi-Manager Funds -1.531% 3.258% 3.613% 737
    All Single Manager Funds -1.206% 5.386% 4.391% 2122
    All Futures Funds -0.728% 0.686% 5.006% 351
    Regulation D Strategies 1.009% 14.280% 0.759% 11
    Fixed Income Arbitrage 0.779% 5.174% 0.894% 11
    MBS Arbitrage 0.775% 8.404% 0.986% 19
    Credit Spread Arbitrage 0.650% -3.325% 0.260% 3
    Short Selling Strategies 0.597% 7.072% 2.531% 5

    Although October was a difficult month, the relatively narrow band of returns would foreshadow a rebound for alternative investments. Returns for the month ranged from a high of 1.009% for Reg D funds (as above) to a low of -2.319% for Sector Specialist L/S strategies (assuming we ignore the outlyer of -4.759% for Emerging Markets Equity funds).
  2. Too many sharks and not enough food. They end up biting each other.

    It just PROVES that it was NOT their talent that made profits in the past but the market environment!
  3. Hedge funds, is that the place where they employ them "quants"?
  4. and all those "spectacular" numbers are based on voluntary reporting , you just can imagine how would they look if you include the ones that already closed the doors
  5. hoezx6r


    Right, an entire asset class that's been around for 50 years will disappear because of a year of bad returns.

    There will be a shakeout of the weak funds...the ones who jumped on the bandwagon and didn't genuinely create alpha.

    So people like Soros and Ken Griffin didn't have talent? :confused:
  6. Citadel is definately diversifying outside of trading strategies though...Castle Reinsurance. They are probably the most solid hedge out there right now. With the structure and systems that Griff is putting into place, they have a lot of room to grow their asset base.
  7. A new take on an old adage...? "Don't confuse brains with a bull market"
  8. With a lot of the funds doing private equity stuff (see Cerebus, DE Shaw, Ritchie, etc), not even to mention funds that specialize in activism (ESL, for instance), the line between a large hedge fund and an investment bank is blurring.
  9. It's as if they're admitting their traditional trading edge is gone and so they're becoming investors, no?

  10. No, it is just the simple matter of diversifying. All strategies have inherit capacity limitations, so with more and more capital, the HFs are just looking at more investment strategies, including the traditionally less liquid markets. It is hard to say what Goldman does, since they are in so many different businesses.

    In a similar vein, Susquehanna is hiring investment bankers and research analysts like crazy in a bid to get into new businesses, it is not that SIG is finding market making not profitable (not at all), it is just that they have enough excess capital that they want to grow.
    #10     Nov 17, 2005